Unresolved Problems

[Anonymous]

Hello again,

Have not received any helpful hints yet from a kind soul out there
about Hatch shrinking.
Never got any reply about my previous "Solid Fill"
question either.
Am I being shunned for still using R6.01 or is my continued lack
of basic knowledge beyond helpful suggestions?

Gerhard

Gerhard Selzer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Copied a 1 1/2" scale detail to a 1/2" scale related drawing.
> With Edit/Transform/Scale and using 3, the detail was back to
> its original size but the hatching was not.
> Had to go through the procedure of re-hatching by tripling
> the original hatch factor.
> Is there a way to avoid it, other than avoiding hatching and
> doing it all later?
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Gerhard, R6.01

> Dear Pros,
>
> Is there another way to solidly fill an irregular
> shaped island than to use the irregular polygon tool
> and tediously follow the semi circle and arched polygon
> outlines as best as my old eyes can determine?
> Zoomed in, it looks like I never passed the basics of
> "Stay in the Line" Kindergarten exercises. Sample attached.
> I have many other areas on the same site plan with identical
> problems.
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gerhard, R6.01

[Anonymous]

Gerhard
You may be having problems with your news reader still.
This is the first the the post has appeared , to me anyway.

I still use R6.01

Hatching.
Try using the 'Hatch Selection' tool from the all in one toolbar rather than
hatch from the property toolbar. this will keep the hatching size relative
to the polygon
rather than the drawing.

When I hatch I firstly hatch as normal to check appearance & when happy
with the result
select 'none' & then 'Hatch Selection' this saves problems if I change
Rotation Scale etc for
a different hatch on the same drawing.

Solid Fill
I don't have your example to comment on but depending on the complexity you
may be able to
copy the region to another area of the drawing, edit it just leaving the
region you whant to hatch
& using the 'Join' tool create a new polygon & hatch it.

regs
Graeme
R6.01 until there is a real advantage to upgrading.



"Gerhard Selzer" wrote in message
news:3D3C4475.13F1A1E3@bellsouth.net...
> Hello again,
>
> Have not received any helpful hints yet from a kind soul out there
> about Hatch shrinking.
> Never got any reply about my previous "Solid Fill"
> question either.
> Am I being shunned for still using R6.01 or is my continued lack
> of basic knowledge beyond helpful suggestions?
>
> Gerhard
>
> Gerhard Selzer wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Copied a 1 1/2" scale detail to a 1/2" scale related drawing.
> > With Edit/Transform/Scale and using 3, the detail was back to
> > its original size but the hatching was not.
> > Had to go through the procedure of re-hatching by tripling
> > the original hatch factor.
> > Is there a way to avoid it, other than avoiding hatching and
> > doing it all later?
> > Thank you for your help.
> >
> > Gerhard, R6.01
>
> > Dear Pros,
> >
> > Is there another way to solidly fill an irregular
> > shaped island than to use the irregular polygon tool
> > and tediously follow the semi circle and arched polygon
> > outlines as best as my old eyes can determine?
> > Zoomed in, it looks like I never passed the basics of
> > "Stay in the Line" Kindergarten exercises. Sample attached.
> > I have many other areas on the same site plan with identical
> > problems.
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Gerhard, R6.01

[Anonymous]

Graeme,

The mere fact that this post and some of the other previously
sent can now be read by this illustrious discussion group
proves that I am finally back on the right track.
The original post was dated 6/21/02 but was sent via the
obviously wrong BellSouth/newsmia..newsgroup subscription.
It was my fault for not remembering the correct settings
in my normal panic attacks at all Fatal Errors and self
induced crashes at that time.

Thanks for addressing the Hatch and Solid Fill problem.
Will follow your suggestions.
Did not attach the small JPG samples since even they are a
No-No according to the rules.
If you don't mind, I will send them to you directly.
I appreciate your help.

Gerhard

Graeme wrote:
>
> Gerhard
> You may be having problems with your news reader still.
> This is the first the the post has appeared , to me anyway.
>
> I still use R6.01
>
> Hatching.
> Try using the 'Hatch Selection' tool from the all in one toolbar rather than
> hatch from the property toolbar. this will keep the hatching size relative
> to the polygon
> rather than the drawing.
>
> When I hatch I firstly hatch as normal to check appearance & when happy
> with the result
> select 'none' & then 'Hatch Selection' this saves problems if I change
> Rotation Scale etc for
> a different hatch on the same drawing.
>
> Solid Fill
> I don't have your example to comment on but depending on the complexity you
> may be able to
> copy the region to another area of the drawing, edit it just leaving the
> region you whant to hatch
> & using the 'Join' tool create a new polygon & hatch it.
>
> regs
> Graeme
> R6.01 until there is a real advantage to upgrading.
>
> "Gerhard Selzer" wrote in message
> news:3D3C4475.13F1A1E3@bellsouth.net...
> > Hello again,
> >
> > Have not received any helpful hints yet from a kind soul out there
> > about Hatch shrinking.
> > Never got any reply about my previous "Solid Fill"
> > question either.
> > Am I being shunned for still using R6.01 or is my continued lack
> > of basic knowledge beyond helpful suggestions?
> >
> > Gerhard
> >
> > Gerhard Selzer wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Copied a 1 1/2" scale detail to a 1/2" scale related drawing.
> > > With Edit/Transform/Scale and using 3, the detail was back to
> > > its original size but the hatching was not.
> > > Had to go through the procedure of re-hatching by tripling
> > > the original hatch factor.
> > > Is there a way to avoid it, other than avoiding hatching and
> > > doing it all later?
> > > Thank you for your help.
> > >
> > > Gerhard, R6.01
> >
> > > Dear Pros,
> > >
> > > Is there another way to solidly fill an irregular
> > > shaped island than to use the irregular polygon tool
> > > and tediously follow the semi circle and arched polygon
> > > outlines as best as my old eyes can determine?
> > > Zoomed in, it looks like I never passed the basics of
> > > "Stay in the Line" Kindergarten exercises. Sample attached.
> > > I have many other areas on the same site plan with identical
> > > problems.
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > Gerhard, R6.01

[Anonymous]

Glad to see you got your posting problems solved!

Anne

Gerhard Selzer wrote:
>
> Graeme,
>
> The mere fact that this post and some of the other previously
> sent can now be read by this illustrious discussion group
> proves that I am finally back on the right track.

[Anonymous]

Hello

In your Graphic options and Hatch settings make sure the Hatch Spacing is
always 1. Then, only use the entity settings to set scale and rotation and
this will avoid global settings stuffing up your drawings. The trap is the
Hatch Spacing, as this is a leftover from Drafix and has global
implications.

Any hatch that is bad, right click on it and go to entities and reset the
scale factor to bring it back to normal, but first get the Spacing and any
Global values back to 1.

Paul Jackson



"Gerhard Selzer" wrote in message
news:3D3C4475.13F1A1E3@bellsouth.net...
> Hello again,
>
> Have not received any helpful hints yet from a kind soul out there
> about Hatch shrinking.
> Never got any reply about my previous "Solid Fill"
> question either.
> Am I being shunned for still using R6.01 or is my continued lack
> of basic knowledge beyond helpful suggestions?
>
> Gerhard
>
> Gerhard Selzer wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Copied a 1 1/2" scale detail to a 1/2" scale related drawing.
> > With Edit/Transform/Scale and using 3, the detail was back to
> > its original size but the hatching was not.
> > Had to go through the procedure of re-hatching by tripling
> > the original hatch factor.
> > Is there a way to avoid it, other than avoiding hatching and
> > doing it all later?
> > Thank you for your help.
> >
> > Gerhard, R6.01
>
> > Dear Pros,
> >
> > Is there another way to solidly fill an irregular
> > shaped island than to use the irregular polygon tool
> > and tediously follow the semi circle and arched polygon
> > outlines as best as my old eyes can determine?
> > Zoomed in, it looks like I never passed the basics of
> > "Stay in the Line" Kindergarten exercises. Sample attached.
> > I have many other areas on the same site plan with identical
> > problems.
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Gerhard, R6.01

[Anonymous]

Thanks,
That works & it's still a hatch.
I had tried to edit Entity hatch settings thru graphic options
but it only seemed to apply to polygons that were added
after the changes & not to any that existed at the time.
Never thought to edit entity properties.

Graeme

"Paul Jackson" wrote in message
news:507892676885DDF83A0EDE3BBE0E1414@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hello
>
> In your Graphic options and Hatch settings make sure the Hatch Spacing is
> always 1. Then, only use the entity settings to set scale and rotation
and
> this will avoid global settings stuffing up your drawings. The trap is
the
> Hatch Spacing, as this is a leftover from Drafix and has global
> implications.
>
> Any hatch that is bad, right click on it and go to entities and reset the
> scale factor to bring it back to normal, but first get the Spacing and any
> Global values back to 1.
>
> Paul Jackson
>
>

[Anonymous]

Paul,

Thanks. Hatch problem resolved.

Without appearing greedy, may I appeal to your infinite wisdom
to have an answer for my Solid Fill problem?
The landscaped island [for lack of imagination green fill]
consists of two semi circles at each end, a straight line at the
bottom and a 3 Point Arc at the top.
Since no attachments are permitted, (___^^^___) this is my simple
Rube Goldberg visual presentation under the circumstances and
where ^^^ represents the arc. All of course are polylines.
Can one join them through Trim Join, Snap or Translate command
to get a polygon to be filled or is the Irregular Polygon choice
the only option available? I am trying to avoid to have to go
tediously around each semi circle and the arc in 15cm or less
intervals to simulate the curves for smooth instead of ragged fill
appearance for printout at a larger scale.
Since there many similar different shapes on the site plan, I would
appreciate any suggestion you might have to reduce this lengthy,
unsatisfactory process I am using now.

Gerhard

Paul Jackson wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> In your Graphic options and Hatch settings make sure the Hatch Spacing is
> always 1. Then, only use the entity settings to set scale and rotation and
> this will avoid global settings stuffing up your drawings. The trap is the
> Hatch Spacing, as this is a leftover from Drafix and has global
> implications.
>
> Any hatch that is bad, right click on it and go to entities and reset the
> scale factor to bring it back to normal, but first get the Spacing and any
> Global values back to 1.
>
> Paul Jackson
>

[Anonymous]

Gerhard, I recreated your enclosed boundary in Sketch 6.1 and was able to
Edit/Trim/Join and by holding the Ctrl key, click on one of the end arcs and then
the solid fill showed up ( I had first selected the 3-point arc, two end arcs and
bottom polyline and selected solid pattern from the properties toolbar).

Make sure you snap the end arcs to the ends of the bottom polyline and also snap
the 3-point arc to the end arcs. If there's an opening, it won't fill.


Gerhard Selzer wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Thanks. Hatch problem resolved.
>
> Without appearing greedy, may I appeal to your infinite wisdom
> to have an answer for my Solid Fill problem?
> The landscaped island [for lack of imagination green fill]
> consists of two semi circles at each end, a straight line at the
> bottom and a 3 Point Arc at the top.
> Since no attachments are permitted, (___^^^___) this is my simple
> Rube Goldberg visual presentation under the circumstances and
> where ^^^ represents the arc. All of course are polylines.
> Can one join them through Trim Join, Snap or Translate command
> to get a polygon to be filled or is the Irregular Polygon choice
> the only option available? I am trying to avoid to have to go
> tediously around each semi circle and the arc in 15cm or less
> intervals to simulate the curves for smooth instead of ragged fill
> appearance for printout at a larger scale.
> Since there many similar different shapes on the site plan, I would
> appreciate any suggestion you might have to reduce this lengthy,
> unsatisfactory process I am using now.
>
> Gerhard
>



--
Bob Felton
Autodesk Product Support, Platform Technology Group

[Anonymous]

Bob,

Thank you very much.
Now that you explained it to me how it should be done
this remaining BIG problem has been resolved.
It seems so simple now and I feel like an idiot.
The solution will be named, filed and clicked under
"Bob's Polygon" for easy future visual reference as I already
have Paul's Roof, Harvey's 6.01 Patch, John N's Symbol Change,
Len's Line Thickness, John E's Printer, Alm's Character Map,
Marina's NoNo's etc.
Tried yesterday to replace a 15 year old twin garden hose
connection. Used WD40 and liquid wrench and it would not budge.
Beside you being an Autodesk Pro, do you handle Plumbing Problems
too?

Gerhard 😉

"Bob Felton (Autodesk Support)" wrote:
>
> Gerhard, I recreated your enclosed boundary in Sketch 6.1 and was able to
> Edit/Trim/Join and by holding the Ctrl key, click on one of the end arcs and then
> the solid fill showed up ( I had first selected the 3-point arc, two end arcs and
> bottom polyline and selected solid pattern from the properties toolbar).
>
> Make sure you snap the end arcs to the ends of the bottom polyline and also snap
> the 3-point arc to the end arcs. If there's an opening, it won't fill.
>
> Gerhard Selzer wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Thanks. Hatch problem resolved.
> >
> > Without appearing greedy, may I appeal to your infinite wisdom
> > to have an answer for my Solid Fill problem?
> > The landscaped island [for lack of imagination green fill]
> > consists of two semi circles at each end, a straight line at the
> > bottom and a 3 Point Arc at the top.
> > Since no attachments are permitted, (___^^^___) this is my simple
> > Rube Goldberg visual presentation under the circumstances and
> > where ^^^ represents the arc. All of course are polylines.
> > Can one join them through Trim Join, Snap or Translate command
> > to get a polygon to be filled or is the Irregular Polygon choice
> > the only option available? I am trying to avoid to have to go
> > tediously around each semi circle and the arc in 15cm or less
> > intervals to simulate the curves for smooth instead of ragged fill
> > appearance for printout at a larger scale.
> > Since there many similar different shapes on the site plan, I would
> > appreciate any suggestion you might have to reduce this lengthy,
> > unsatisfactory process I am using now.
> >
> > Gerhard
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bob Felton
> Autodesk Product Support, Platform Technology Group

[Anonymous]

"Gerhard Selzer" wrote in message > Tried yesterday
to replace a 15 year old twin garden hose
> connection. Used WD40 and liquid wrench and it would not budge.
> Beside you being an Autodesk Pro, do you handle Plumbing Problems
> too?
>
> Gerhard 😉

Gerhard:

Ace is the place--get a new one. Glad your fill problem is solved. I don't
know much about hatch and fill because I haven't gotten that professional in
the appearance of my drawings yet. They should let you attach yours. The
appearance and attention to detail is always exquisite.

John

[Anonymous]

Gerhard

Have you tried turning the fitting the other way? It usually takes me 2 goes
to unscrew anything!!

Regards

Barry


Gerhard Selzer wrote in message
news:3D400E52.535EDC0@bellsouth.net...
> Bob,
>
> Thank you very much.
> Now that you explained it to me how it should be done
> this remaining BIG problem has been resolved.
> It seems so simple now and I feel like an idiot.
> The solution will be named, filed and clicked under
> "Bob's Polygon" for easy future visual reference as I already
> have Paul's Roof, Harvey's 6.01 Patch, John N's Symbol Change,
> Len's Line Thickness, John E's Printer, Alm's Character Map,
> Marina's NoNo's etc.
> Tried yesterday to replace a 15 year old twin garden hose
> connection. Used WD40 and liquid wrench and it would not budge.
> Beside you being an Autodesk Pro, do you handle Plumbing Problems
> too?
>
> Gerhard 😉
>

[Anonymous]

Use a torch to heat the twin hose connection. Try to unscrew it while it is
hot.

--
Cactus Charlie
"B Pike" wrote in message
news:46FA0F368424132110A5A45A4FD37647@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Gerhard
>
> Have you tried turning the fitting the other way? It usually takes me 2
goes
> to unscrew anything!!
>
> Regards
>
> Barry
>
>
> Gerhard Selzer wrote in message
> news:3D400E52.535EDC0@bellsouth.net...
> > Bob,
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> > Now that you explained it to me how it should be done
> > this remaining BIG problem has been resolved.
> > It seems so simple now and I feel like an idiot.
> > The solution will be named, filed and clicked under
> > "Bob's Polygon" for easy future visual reference as I already
> > have Paul's Roof, Harvey's 6.01 Patch, John N's Symbol Change,
> > Len's Line Thickness, John E's Printer, Alm's Character Map,
> > Marina's NoNo's etc.
> > Tried yesterday to replace a 15 year old twin garden hose
> > connection. Used WD40 and liquid wrench and it would not budge.
> > Beside you being an Autodesk Pro, do you handle Plumbing Problems
> > too?
> >
> > Gerhard 😉
> >
>
>
>