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Message 31 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 12:18 AM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Well, Good Morning GregJ !

I think within an hour of studying the group one could easily find numerous
complaints about line width. It's funny that it must NOT be one of the "12"
issues you fellows found in your search of "what's wrong with Sketch". Do not
get me wrong. I think Sketch is one of THE best 2d cad apps available, partially
because of its inexpense.

Line widths: Just think for a moment that there are 50, yes 50 different Line
"Styles" available, but ONLY 7 Line widths. Ok, I could live with
7............. BUT, we need to be able to set the width ourselves !!!!

You only offer two widths as far as I am concerned: Too Narrow and Too Wide !

Now, as long as we have AutoDesks attention: We need to be able to configure
what WE want for line thickness. Give us an .ini file or a .cfg file to edit.
Please don't just make more fixed ones available. I don't think I would enjoy a
drop down list of 50 different line widths......... It is already a pain for me
to rotate up and down between "dotted" or "dashed" and then back to "Solid" when
drawing.

Our best option would be to have FULL control of "Which and What" lines are
even displayed in the drop down boxes as well as their widths.


Here is my next BIG Wish. Do this: Open Sketch and draw a line anywhere. Now,
Select the "offset" command.

Did you notice how the "offset distance" input box on the edit bar automatically
highlighted itself ?? WONDERFUL !

DO THAT with ALL the other situations that are similar.

When I draw a line, make the LENGTH box auto highlight. Then I can simply TAB
key to the other relevant boxes.
When I draw a Circle, make the Radius (I would LOVE a Diameter box instead!) box
auto highlight.

Additionally, Auto Ortho techniques like the old Intergraph and Ashlar
techniques would be good, and I want to be able to trim to Splines. I am sure I
have a few more issues but they are minor. I could refresh my memory if
necessary.


Lastly, It would be a really good gesture to fix the issues Mid stream of V8 and
then we would ALL BUY IT !!
For now, we won't even recommend it..............

Thanks,

Chris Luebke
DATA-CUT

"Greig Jones [Autodesk Product Support]" wrote:

> Hello Ric,
>
> Let me ask you about the linewidth problem. How is this manifesting itself
> so that you feel that it is not working? Please let me know the steps that
> you are using and the results you expect.
>
> GreigJ.
>
> --
> Greig Jones [autodesk product support]
> "Ric Norris" wrote in message
> news:B9F167DF98157E44E96702BB92F7D84D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Received my QuickCAD R8 evaluation copy from AutoDesk....thankyou. There
> is
> > nothing in
> > there to convince my management to update 210 licences from QuickCAD
> version
> > 7.
> >
> > At least the NT registry issues have been fixed....and the User Guide in
> > .PDF format will be great for my training sessions with V7. The backward
> > compatibility is also a fine feature....well, between 7 & 8
> anyway....shame
> > I have no reason to use 8.
> >
> > A real pity the line width issue hasn't been resolved....like I have said
> > over & over again, the "Wish List" is a complete waste of time....!!!!
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > Ric Norris.
> > http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > "H. Alm" wrote in message
> > news:03E00BE1F80279EB85BAABAEE6A0F085@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > So when will AutoSketch 8 be released?
> > >
> > > (It's already reference on AutoDesk support pages. Just search for
> > > AutoSketch 8)
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://support.autodesk.com/enu/kdnview.asp?QueryText=autosketch&k2dockey=d%
> > >
> >
> 3A%5Cesupport%5Cknowledgebase%5Chtml%5C100022%2Ehtm%40kdn&k2url=http%3A%2F%2
> > > Fsupport01%2Eautodesk%2Ecom%2Fenu%2Fknowledgebase%2Fhtml%2F100022%2Ehtm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
*CL
Message 32 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 12:19 AM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Could you tell us what those "12 items are ???

Chris L

"Greig Jones [Autodesk Product Support]" wrote:

> Hello Ric,
>
> Actually we do monitor this discussion group at Autodesk and we are
> concerned about good customer relations. When the planning was made for
> upgrading QuickCAD and AutoSketch, we did a database search for issues
> arising from the discussion group and from calls placed to our product
> support technicians. We came up with a top ten (actually top 12 plus
> additional items that the core development team felt were worth correcting)
> list of defects, suggestions, etc. Emphasis was placed on making the
> programs work with the newest operating systems as well as adding features
> and correcting defects.
>
> The interface has been a very successful design, still very contemporary,
> and most importantly, easy to learn and use which is an important factor for
> many customers that do not wish to go thru a higher learning curve such as
> would be the case with upgrading to AutoCAD LT or AutoCAD. Our customers are
> varied on our Retail CAD products, from the most casual part time user right
> on up to the big companies that use it. Our emphasis has always been ease of
> use and an attractive low price while still providing the functionality that
> entice the large companies to use it.
>
> Regards,
>
> GreigJ.
*Norris, Ric
Message 33 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 05:31 AM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Hi Greig,

I am responsible for the creation & management of a venue floorplan database
and to date have created and issued over 2500 drawings. AutoCAD LT is my
tool of trade and I do all my "mastering" using LT...I then convert them to
QuickCAD so our 210 national Technical Directors and Technical Event
Managers can easily use. The main reason we use LT to create the original
is just in case a few years down the track, QuickCAD no longer exists (for
example), we then have our .DWG masters in hopefully a current useable
format.

As you know, in LT, the user has the ability to control line weights by
assigning a colour. This works well.....I draw walls and doors in white and
then assign a line weight of .12....windows I draw in red and assign a line
weight of .01.....anything I wish to have a bit of grunt, I draw in blue and
assign a line weight of 3.0. I rarely use polylines.

When the final product is issued in QuickCAD, all I have are pretty
colours.....it is not possible for me to convert every line to a thickness
of 1 or 3 or 5 or whatever...and there is no way I can convert all lines to
polylines. Thus I have NO control over line weights in QuickCAD without
spending considerable time to do one of 2 things just mentioned.....it's
just not practical. Therefore all our QuickCAD drawings are issued with
just 1 line thickness.

There have been many people in both this and the QC Newsgroup that have
constantly been "wishing" for this issue to be rectified....and it is has
been ignored. I for one would like to know if it had been at least,
considered.

Ric Norris
http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings


"Greig Jones [Autodesk Product Support]"
wrote in message
news:49C8F4C6E82FF1E0644FF8DE4B7B953B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hello Ric,
>
> Let me ask you about the linewidth problem. How is this manifesting itself
> so that you feel that it is not working? Please let me know the steps that
> you are using and the results you expect.
>
> GreigJ.
>
> --
> Greig Jones [autodesk product support]
> "Ric Norris" wrote in message
> news:B9F167DF98157E44E96702BB92F7D84D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Received my QuickCAD R8 evaluation copy from AutoDesk....thankyou.
There
> is
> > nothing in
> > there to convince my management to update 210 licences from QuickCAD
> version
> > 7.
> >
> > At least the NT registry issues have been fixed....and the User Guide in
> > .PDF format will be great for my training sessions with V7. The
backward
> > compatibility is also a fine feature....well, between 7 & 8
> anyway....shame
> > I have no reason to use 8.
> >
> > A real pity the line width issue hasn't been resolved....like I have
said
> > over & over again, the "Wish List" is a complete waste of time....!!!!
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > Ric Norris.
> > http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings/index.html
*Smith, Tim
Message 34 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 11:46 AM in reply to: *Alm, H.
My experience was almost a disaster. I had a presentation to the board for
a facility layout project. The drawing looked great on the computer screen,
but when printed, the lines were very thin. I mean, so thin that it was not
readable in normal conference room lighting. When I selected the next line
width, the lines were so thick, it looked like I had tried to use the
drawing tool in my word processor! I changed the dpi setting all the way
down to 150 (HP ???) and it the lines looked darker but the text and bitmaps
print quality went south. I started using polylines and it does work much
better now.

Is there a problem with using polylines?? I noticed that my circles are not
polylines, so those are still thin.



"Greig Jones [Autodesk Product Support]"
wrote in message
news:49C8F4C6E82FF1E0644FF8DE4B7B953B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hello Ric,
>
> Let me ask you about the linewidth problem. How is this manifesting itself
> so that you feel that it is not working? Please let me know the steps that
> you are using and the results you expect.
>
> GreigJ.
>
> --
> Greig Jones [autodesk product support]
> "Ric Norris" wrote in message
> news:B9F167DF98157E44E96702BB92F7D84D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Received my QuickCAD R8 evaluation copy from AutoDesk....thankyou.
There
> is
> > nothing in
> > there to convince my management to update 210 licences from QuickCAD
> version
> > 7.
> >
> > At least the NT registry issues have been fixed....and the User Guide in
> > .PDF format will be great for my training sessions with V7. The
backward
> > compatibility is also a fine feature....well, between 7 & 8
> anyway....shame
> > I have no reason to use 8.
> >
> > A real pity the line width issue hasn't been resolved....like I have
said
> > over & over again, the "Wish List" is a complete waste of time....!!!!
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > Ric Norris.
> > http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > "H. Alm" wrote in message
> > news:03E00BE1F80279EB85BAABAEE6A0F085@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > So when will AutoSketch 8 be released?
> > >
> > > (It's already reference on AutoDesk support pages. Just search for
> > > AutoSketch 8)
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://support.autodesk.com/enu/kdnview.asp?QueryText=autosketch&k2dockey=d%
> > >
> >
>
3A%5Cesupport%5Cknowledgebase%5Chtml%5C100022%2Ehtm%40kdn&k2url=http%3A%2F%2
> > >
Fsupport01%2Eautodesk%2Ecom%2Fenu%2Fknowledgebase%2Fhtml%2F100022%2Ehtm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
*Rafuse, L.
Message 35 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 07:41 PM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Ric Norris wrote:

>As you know, in LT, the user has the ability to control line weights by
>assigning a color. This works well.....I draw walls and doors in white and
>then assign a line weight of .12....windows I draw in red and assign a line
>weight of .01.....anything I wish to have a bit of grunt, I draw in blue and
>assign a line weight of 3.0. I rarely use polylines.
>
As someone who did not grow up with the older CAD packages, using colors
to signify line weights seems like a work around an old problem that
AutoDesk choose not to fix because someone thought of a work around.
Using colors for line weights means you cannot use them for anything else.

Why can't regular lines have real line widths of any size that print and
transfer? This way they will also display on the screen the same as it
prints (WYSIWYG any one).

Why are there lines and polylines? Why don't we have just lines that
can be set to any widths we want?

Too many question...

--
Len Rafuse
Vision Engineering
*Rafuse, L.
Message 36 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 07:45 PM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Tim Smith wrote:

>My experience was almost a disaster. I had a presentation to the board for
>a facility layout project. The drawing looked great on the computer screen,
>but when printed, the lines were very thin. I mean, so thin that it was not
>readable in normal conference room lighting. When I selected the next line
>width, the lines were so thick, it looked like I had tried to use the
>drawing tool in my word processor! I changed the dpi setting all the way
>down to 150 (HP ???) and it the lines looked darker but the text and bitmaps
>print quality went south. I started using polylines and it does work much
>better now.
>
This is part of the reason I use polylines.

>
>
>Is there a problem with using polylines??
>
None that I know

>I noticed that my circles are not
>polylines, so those are still thin.
>
Explode them and then set the line width up.

For text, I use an Arial font that shows up well. CAD fonts look terrible.

--
Len Rafuse
Vision Engineering
*Norris, Ric
Message 37 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 08:47 PM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Hey Len,

Don't (EDITED) on my parade...!!!

You're one of the many who have been complaining about this issue for many
years now. Please provide something more constructive.

ADesk is "listening".....as we have been told.

Ric. Norris.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings


"L. Rafuse" wrote in message
news:3C04CD6F.8080006@wn.net...
>
>
> Ric Norris wrote:
>
> >As you know, in LT, the user has the ability to control line weights by
> >assigning a color. This works well.....I draw walls and doors in white
and
> >then assign a line weight of .12....windows I draw in red and assign a
line
> >weight of .01.....anything I wish to have a bit of grunt, I draw in blue
and
> >assign a line weight of 3.0. I rarely use polylines.
> >
> As someone who did not grow up with the older CAD packages, using colors
> to signify line weights seems like a work around an old problem that
> AutoDesk choose not to fix because someone thought of a work around.
> Using colors for line weights means you cannot use them for anything
else.
>
> Why can't regular lines have real line widths of any size that print and
> transfer? This way they will also display on the screen the same as it
> prints (WYSIWYG any one).
>
> Why are there lines and polylines? Why don't we have just lines that
> can be set to any widths we want?
>
> Too many question...
>
> --
> Len Rafuse
> Vision Engineering
>
>
>
*CL
Message 38 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 10:08 PM in reply to: *Alm, H.
I too do not like all the different variations of Lines.

I learned to draw with a modern Cad program. Lines were Lines were Lines. Cut,
Trim, do what ever you want. The Explode concept did not exist. Just Group and
Ungroup.

I have noticed that there are times when you have to "Convert" an arc to
something. What for ?

I don't understand who really needs the variation as long as you can do what you
want with widths and colors.

In Rics case, I think he is just telling you that he can "Zing" thru a drawing
much faster when he keeps all of a particular group of items in one color. Then
it is easy to select that color to assign a width or modify.

Colors also have a pretty good use when your cad program is combined with some
forms of Engraving, Routing and Plotting. So it is good that one can assign a
width to a color.

If Adesk just lets us assign widths WE Want...... It should help everyones
problem. But, they should take into consideration that if they offer DWG
compatability, Then bringing in a true .dwg drawing needs to display and print
the same as it did in the native program. Especially when it comes from their
program. I'd expect different if one was using a non ADesk product..............


Chris L

Len wrote:

> Ric Norris wrote:
>
> >As you know, in LT, the user has the ability to control line weights by
> >assigning a color. This works well.....I draw walls and doors in white and
> >then assign a line weight of .12....windows I draw in red and assign a line
> >weight of .01.....anything I wish to have a bit of grunt, I draw in blue and
> >assign a line weight of 3.0. I rarely use polylines.
> >
> As someone who did not grow up with the older CAD packages, using colors
> to signify line weights seems like a work around an old problem that
> AutoDesk choose not to fix because someone thought of a work around.
> Using colors for line weights means you cannot use them for anything else.
>
> Why can't regular lines have real line widths of any size that print and
> transfer? This way they will also display on the screen the same as it
> prints (WYSIWYG any one).
>
> Why are there lines and polylines? Why don't we have just lines that
> can be set to any widths we want?
>
> Too many question...
>
> --
> Len Rafuse
> Vision Engineering
*Rafuse, L.
Message 39 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 10:44 PM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Ric Norris wrote:

   >Hey Len,
   >
   >Don't (EDITED) on my parade...!!!
   >
   >You're one of the many who have been complaining about this issue for
many
   >years now. Please provide something more constructive.
   >
   >ADesk is "listening".....as we have been told.
   >
   >Ric. Norris.
   >http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings
   >

This is constructive.

There is an underlying line weight selection-plot problem that should be
fixed rather than worked around. In AutoCAD they long ago chose a work
around rather than fixing the underlying problem.

Users should be able to draw exactly as it will plot. As bad as Word
is, I do not have to make any text that I want to be bold blue and then
assign blue as a thicker line weight. No I just make it bold and it
appears bold on the screen and it prints bold.

If they want to have a color-pen weight table and fix the line weight
selection-print issue, then everyone can be happy.

Do you think they are listening with their good ear today?

--
Len Rafuse
Vision Engineering
*Selzer, Gerhard
Message 40 of 61 (180 Views)

Re:

11-27-2001 11:59 PM in reply to: *Alm, H.
Chris,

Hope Greig will be generous and make it a baker's dozen
to cheer you up.
As soon as you receive them, will you let us know if they
were fudge filled doughnuts or the ones with holes?

Gerhard ;-)


CL wrote:
>
> Could you tell us what those "12 items are ???
>
> Chris L
>
> "Greig Jones [Autodesk Product Support]" wrote:
>
> > Hello Ric,
> >
> > Actually we do monitor this discussion group at Autodesk and we are
> > concerned about good customer relations. When the planning was made for
> > upgrading QuickCAD and AutoSketch, we did a database search for issues
> > arising from the discussion group and from calls placed to our product
> > support technicians. We came up with a top ten (actually top 12 plus
> > additional items that the core development team felt were worth correcting)
> > list of defects, suggestions, etc. Emphasis was placed on making the
> > programs work with the newest operating systems as well as adding features
> > and correcting defects.
> >
> > The interface has been a very successful design, still very contemporary,
> > and most importantly, easy to learn and use which is an important factor for
> > many customers that do not wish to go thru a higher learning curve such as
> > would be the case with upgrading to AutoCAD LT or AutoCAD. Our customers are
> > varied on our Retail CAD products, from the most casual part time user right
> > on up to the big companies that use it. Our emphasis has always been ease of
> > use and an attractive low price while still providing the functionality that
> > entice the large companies to use it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > GreigJ.
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