Spread the Word ... We Want Our BPM (Building Industry Product Manufacturer)

[Anonymous]

Recent conversations with manufacturers of building industry products have
confirmed that architects and designers who specify products in their
designs can influence manufacturers to create and host ADT Style and MvBlock
content. Please let your favorite manufacturers know that if they offered
manufacturer specific ADT Styles and MvBlocks of their products you would
include them in your designs. Interested manufacturers are invited to visit
http://pointa.autodesk.com/local/enu/portal/idrop/idropMfgAffiliates.jsp?po=
enu to learn more.

Thanks ... and Best Regards,

Chuck Spink

Product Manager

Autodesk

[Anonymous]

Actually, I've been meaning to sign up for your I-drop trial.

And complaining about users who are too lazy in this ng is really like
preaching to teh choir - even Ted, who admits he isn't using it, cares
enough to do some reading. And that's all it takes to realize that there is
not a whole lot to learn, you just need to do it.


"Rob Starz" wrote in message
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> Charles,
>
> I have to disagree with you. What is there to learn? Drag and
> Drop....class done. You don't need to really do much accept go to sites
> like www.autodrop.net and idrop their files into any program that uses
> AutoCAD core. You may not realize this but the style manager uses idrop
if
> you go to PointA to grab the styles. On top of that you have companies
like
> Cadmin and Stardsign that are creating programs to create/convert items to
> idrop and AecContent. I think you will find the popularity for idrop will
> grow as more content is available.
>
> If you want I can send you i-dock to try out and see how easy it is to use
> idrop.
>
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> | Stardsign cad solutions
> | 352.263.3786
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>
>

[Anonymous]

i just wrote a lengthy response but it did not post, sorry. ||
here are the highlights:
1/ according to Geoffrey Langdon of BSA only 90% of ADT owners are currently using aec_objects.
2/ I downloaded GDL adapter 1.2 and reviewed it on ADT3.3. The library is very nice and rather parametric. However there is absolutely nothing ADT about it. No walls, no mvBlocks, no RepSets, no Schedule integration, nothing. 3/ My opinion of the UTOPIAN situation would be for us to encourage the manufacturers to beg the GDL to rewrite thier library to support IFC2.0. This would give Autodesk and all others a strong and compelling reason to get off the proverbial butts and support this as an industry standard and have it based on XML!!! Thus empowering other disciplines to collaborate with us. If you want to broker change this is what we should be preaching.

[Anonymous]

I'd like to see that survey that you cite. Our
surveys do not support that.

--
Dennis McNeal, AIA
Autodesk
Building Industry
Division

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just
wrote a lengthy response but it did not post, sorry. || here are the
highlights:
1/ according to Geoffrey Langdon of BSA only 90% of ADT owners
are currently using aec_objects.
2/ I downloaded GDL adapter 1.2 and
reviewed it on ADT3.3. The library is very nice and rather parametric. However
there is absolutely nothing ADT about it. No walls, no mvBlocks, no RepSets,
no Schedule integration, nothing. 3/ My opinion of the UTOPIAN situation would
be for us to encourage the manufacturers to beg the GDL to rewrite thier
library to support IFC2.0. This would give Autodesk and all others a strong
and compelling reason to get off the proverbial butts and support this as an
industry standard and have it based on XML!!! Thus empowering other
disciplines to collaborate with us. If you want to broker change this is what
we should be preaching.

[Anonymous]

The point was for all of us-- Particularly those in large firms -- to lean, nicely, on suppliers for ADT content. Please convince your principals to do this. Bob

[jamessmell]

here's my utopian view on this....idrop (based on xml) from the manuf. site. Have it bi-directionally linked to the manuf. site. when the product is modified, discontinued, replaced w/ newer version, it's price changes (whatever variables i choose to raise a flag) and i get a message the next time i open the building model and choose the appropriate solution. i've told many of my ADT students that if i could build my model w/ a specific manuf's products, they would for certain be first listed in my project's Specifications. All others would be "or approved equals" and it would be up to the contractor to make sure it fit (and since by then, the contractor's going to be using the building model, he/she can plug in their favorite manuf's products and run a compliance check. ...........jim smell

[Anonymous]

HOLEY MOLEY!!! THIS COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!

If anything, AEC objects are less parametric than GDL objects. GDL objects are
not only parametric, but they are also user customizable and PROGRAMMABLE!
ArchiCAD makes EXTENSIVE use of GDL. In fact the ONLY real thing a normal
ArchiCAD user can customize is the GDL objects.
(One reason I'm not liking ArchiCAD - no real customization except GDL.)
The fact is GDL IS fast becoming the industry standard for objects, not DWG
or AEC. And I'm glad. It IS superior, or it has the potential to be.

By the way, there is a plug in that allows GDL objects to be used in AutoCAD.


> but GDL is GDL...not Aec Objects. They are simply blocks and GDL just
> offers a way to get the blocks to the user based on parameters...Great for
> getting the objects to the people but they are DUMB objects. MvBlocks can
> be controlled via Display Configs...GDLs can't. The issue is that GDL
> needs to be able to convert blocks to MvBlocks....Hummmm. that is where I
> would come in. GDL would need to update there software to create MvBlocks
> on the fly from the parameters given by manufacturers.

[Anonymous]

The issue is not how parametric GDL is....How smart is it to the Display
Config....Absolutely dumb. I am not hear to argue what is better. in ADT
GDL is just another block...correct me if I am wrong.. What does GDL plug in
enable in AutoCAD? Smart viewing? Custom color and lineweight depending on
each view. I looked at the web site and I couldn't find anything on this.

--
| Rob Starz
------------------------------------------------------
| president / dreamer
| Stardsign cad solutions
| 352.263.3786
| AEC Designer / Consultant / Developer
| Autodesk Architectural Desktop:
Tools: www.stardsign.com
Tech Support: www.stardsign.com/support.htm
Bring the Power of i-drop into AutoCAD with i-dock (coming soon)

[Anonymous]

> The issue is not how parametric GDL is....How smart is it to the Display
> Config....Absolutely dumb. I am not hear to argue what is better. in ADT
> GDL is just another block...correct me if I am wrong.. What does GDL plug in
> enable in AutoCAD? Smart viewing? Custom color and lineweight depending on
> each view. I looked at the web site and I couldn't find anything on this.

I haven't had a chance to try out the GDL plugin on AutoCAD yet. I wouldn't be
surprised if you are correct though, about it treating GDLs as just blocks. I
hope you are incorrect though, because...
Smart viewing...
I'm not sure I know what you mean, but I'll take a guess. I take it to mean,
for example, a door shows a swing in the plan view, and does not show the swing
on an RCP view. Correct? Well, GDL objects indeed do absolutely support this,
at least in ArchiCAD. Remember, GDL objects are completely programmable, by the
end user. And I HEAR the programming language is easier than lisp. One thing
ArchiCAD talkers like to complain about is how hard lisp is. Makes me laugh.

Here's a link to the plug in.
http://www.webscape.com/GDL/GDLadapter.html

I quote from the site..
"The ARX application lets AutoCAD users work with intelligent and fully
parametric GDL objects directly in their designs."

No information about Smart viewing, but since GDL objects are smart in ArchiCAD,
I would hope they would be smart in AutoCAD.

[Anonymous]

Last time I checked, the GDL objects were not smart in AutoCAD. The plug-in
was designed to work with vanilla AutoCAD not ADT3.3. Vanilla AutoCAD
doesn't have smarts, so they, ArchiCAD, didn't bother. Please let us know
if this has changed.
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Denver, CO 80231
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"Ender" <7v54k3g2botnfh001@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:19F59048D634E137F00671443478968C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > The issue is not how parametric GDL is....How smart is it to the Display
> > Config....Absolutely dumb. I am not hear to argue what is better. in
ADT
> > GDL is just another block...correct me if I am wrong.. What does GDL
plug in
> > enable in AutoCAD? Smart viewing? Custom color and lineweight
depending on
> > each view. I looked at the web site and I couldn't find anything on
this.
>
> I haven't had a chance to try out the GDL plugin on AutoCAD yet. I
wouldn't be
> surprised if you are correct though, about it treating GDLs as just
blocks. I
> hope you are incorrect though, because...
> Smart viewing...
> I'm not sure I know what you mean, but I'll take a guess. I take it to
mean,
> for example, a door shows a swing in the plan view, and does not show the
swing
> on an RCP view. Correct? Well, GDL objects indeed do absolutely support
this,
> at least in ArchiCAD. Remember, GDL objects are completely programmable,
by the
> end user. And I HEAR the programming language is easier than lisp. One
thing
> ArchiCAD talkers like to complain about is how hard lisp is. Makes me
laugh.
>
> Here's a link to the plug in.
> http://www.webscape.com/GDL/GDLadapter.html
>
> I quote from the site..
> "The ARX application lets AutoCAD users work with intelligent and fully
> parametric GDL objects directly in their designs."
>
> No information about Smart viewing, but since GDL objects are smart in
ArchiCAD,
> I would hope they would be smart in AutoCAD.
>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Ender,

Thanks for the information. I was looking for info like this but I couldn't
find it on the site. I checked today but they are shutdown to install a new
plug in. I will look for more information tomorrow.

Bad business to shut a site down. They should have made a mirror to host
the site while the updated. Tisk.Tisk...Tisk.

--
| Rob Starz
------------------------------------------------------
| president / dreamer
| Stardsign cad solutions
| 352.263.3786
| AEC Designer / Consultant / Developer
| Autodesk Architectural Desktop:
Tools: www.stardsign.com
Tech Support: www.stardsign.com/support.htm
Bring the Power of i-drop into AutoCAD with i-dock (coming soon)