Roof frustration continues

[Anonymous]

Basic stuff is still confusing me.
The levels of a multilevel dwelling.
1. Footings and foundation walls
2. Garage slab and grade.
3. Top of foundation walls/bottom of main floor slab/base of garage walls.
4. Top of main floor slab/base of main floor walls.
5. Top of garage walls/base of bonus room floor slab.
6. Top of bonus room floor slab/base of bonus room walls.
7. Top of main floor walls/base of partial second floor slab/base of partial
first floor roof.
8. Top of second floor slab/base of second floor walls.
9. Bottom of bonus room ceiling slab.
10. Top of bonus room ceiling slab/base of garage wing roof.
11. Top of second floor walls/base of second floor ceiling slab.
12. Top of second floor ceiling slab/base of second floor roof.
NOW---
All these roofs, starting at different levels (main floor, garage wing,
second floor, plus porches which I forgot to mention above, bump-outs for
bay windows or fireplace, dormers, whatever, have to come together and meet.
This has become my nightmare since I could have a "construct" for each of
the above levels and perhaps separate "divisions" for the house, garage,
porch, deck, etc.

This is basic stuff that I cannot seem to pull together. I end up manually
drawing roofs in 2D elevation views and also hatching in the finished
surfaces. Also manually manipulating sections after exploding them. Trying
to work with a 3D model view of all these constucts assembled at appropriate
levels and applying roof slabs with mitre joints is a very bad dream.

I certainly don't worry about details of trim moldings and door knobs and
renderings of trees when it is so difficult for me to bring the roofs
together. I don't know if there is help out there or if I am simply venting
my frustration. I wish the roof object would work if I could simply click on
corners of objects in different constructs within the assmbled 3D view of
the entire model...not to mention automatically updating with revisions made
to the underlaying constructs!

I can upload a work in progress if it is any help, but I think it might be
more beneficial of ADT had a built in sample of a complicated single family
residence, typical of what is being built today. Perhaps 5000 square feet of
multiple levels, half levels and compound hip and gable roofs with octagonal
bump-outs, dormers, covered screened porches, etc. Then that sample could
provide a template for maximizing the programs capabilities.

[a.c.childress]

But they didn't so why don't you upload your building exterior and I'll bet one of these cowboys can help get your roof built.

[Anonymous]

Why not! Executable uploaded to 
customer-gallery, subject line same as this thread.

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"a.c.childress" <
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But
they didn't so why don't you upload your building exterior and I'll bet one of
these cowboys can help get your roof built.

[Anonymous]

imho,

if you are struggling with all that other stuff, you should not even fool
with the roof yet, especially, if it is as complicated as it sounds, might
be better to slow down and get a better grasp of the basics and add to it a
little at a time and when you add, try to use the new features on more
simple applications, until you are more comfortable with the different
facets of the program.

[Anonymous]

Not struggling with the other stuff..I just think putting on a roof should
be 'BASIC' - not a big deal. I have the rest of the house put together...no
problem with walls, windows, doors, stairs, slabs, elevations, sections,
dormers, documentation...Just the roofs drive me nuts! Piece of cake on a
nice building where the "top" is all at one level, not so easy with the roof
overlapping multi-levels.

[Anonymous]

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"Richard A. Haas, P.E." wrote in message
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Why not! Executable uploaded to customer-gallery, subject line same as this
thread.
"a.c.childress" wrote in message
news:f17da4f.0@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
But they didn't so why don't you upload your building exterior and I'll bet
one of these cowboys can help get your roof built.

[Anonymous]

Richard:

Download Sketchup (www.sketchup.com) and draw your roof in minutes. Only
problem you have to import to Autocad as a 2d projection. I couldn't agree
with you more this should be that simple. Try Sketchup you won't be
disappointed.

Good luck.

Dick Barath
"Richard A. Haas, P.E." wrote in message
news:428C978AD2286E0B8436296CA85A4278@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Basic stuff is still confusing me.
> The levels of a multilevel dwelling.
> 1. Footings and foundation walls
> 2. Garage slab and grade.
> 3. Top of foundation walls/bottom of main floor slab/base of garage walls.
> 4. Top of main floor slab/base of main floor walls.
> 5. Top of garage walls/base of bonus room floor slab.
> 6. Top of bonus room floor slab/base of bonus room walls.
> 7. Top of main floor walls/base of partial second floor slab/base of
partial
> first floor roof.
> 8. Top of second floor slab/base of second floor walls.
> 9. Bottom of bonus room ceiling slab.
> 10. Top of bonus room ceiling slab/base of garage wing roof.
> 11. Top of second floor walls/base of second floor ceiling slab.
> 12. Top of second floor ceiling slab/base of second floor roof.
> NOW---
> All these roofs, starting at different levels (main floor, garage wing,
> second floor, plus porches which I forgot to mention above, bump-outs for
> bay windows or fireplace, dormers, whatever, have to come together and
meet.
> This has become my nightmare since I could have a "construct" for each of
> the above levels and perhaps separate "divisions" for the house, garage,
> porch, deck, etc.
>
> This is basic stuff that I cannot seem to pull together. I end up manually
> drawing roofs in 2D elevation views and also hatching in the finished
> surfaces. Also manually manipulating sections after exploding them. Trying
> to work with a 3D model view of all these constucts assembled at
appropriate
> levels and applying roof slabs with mitre joints is a very bad dream.
>
> I certainly don't worry about details of trim moldings and door knobs and
> renderings of trees when it is so difficult for me to bring the roofs
> together. I don't know if there is help out there or if I am simply
venting
> my frustration. I wish the roof object would work if I could simply click
on
> corners of objects in different constructs within the assmbled 3D view of
> the entire model...not to mention automatically updating with revisions
made
> to the underlaying constructs!
>
> I can upload a work in progress if it is any help, but I think it might be
> more beneficial of ADT had a built in sample of a complicated single
family
> residence, typical of what is being built today. Perhaps 5000 square feet
of
> multiple levels, half levels and compound hip and gable roofs with
octagonal
> bump-outs, dormers, covered screened porches, etc. Then that sample could
> provide a template for maximizing the programs capabilities.
>
>

[Anonymous]

You don't have to import a Sketchup file as a 2D, you can bring it in as a
model. Check on Sketchup's site for a how-to.

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Architecture Engineering Construction

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Denver, CO 80231-4928
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"Dick Barath" wrote in message
news:C737568B6C948C57BE03A0990DF166F9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Richard:
>
> Download Sketchup (www.sketchup.com) and draw your roof in minutes. Only
> problem you have to import to Autocad as a 2d projection. I couldn't
agree
> with you more this should be that simple. Try Sketchup you won't be
> disappointed.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Dick Barath
> "Richard A. Haas, P.E." wrote in message
> news:428C978AD2286E0B8436296CA85A4278@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Basic stuff is still confusing me.
> > The levels of a multilevel dwelling.
> > 1. Footings and foundation walls
> > 2. Garage slab and grade.
> > 3. Top of foundation walls/bottom of main floor slab/base of garage
walls.
> > 4. Top of main floor slab/base of main floor walls.
> > 5. Top of garage walls/base of bonus room floor slab.
> > 6. Top of bonus room floor slab/base of bonus room walls.
> > 7. Top of main floor walls/base of partial second floor slab/base of
> partial
> > first floor roof.
> > 8. Top of second floor slab/base of second floor walls.
> > 9. Bottom of bonus room ceiling slab.
> > 10. Top of bonus room ceiling slab/base of garage wing roof.
> > 11. Top of second floor walls/base of second floor ceiling slab.
> > 12. Top of second floor ceiling slab/base of second floor roof.
> > NOW---
> > All these roofs, starting at different levels (main floor, garage wing,
> > second floor, plus porches which I forgot to mention above, bump-outs
for
> > bay windows or fireplace, dormers, whatever, have to come together and
> meet.
> > This has become my nightmare since I could have a "construct" for each
of
> > the above levels and perhaps separate "divisions" for the house, garage,
> > porch, deck, etc.
> >
> > This is basic stuff that I cannot seem to pull together. I end up
manually
> > drawing roofs in 2D elevation views and also hatching in the finished
> > surfaces. Also manually manipulating sections after exploding them.
Trying
> > to work with a 3D model view of all these constucts assembled at
> appropriate
> > levels and applying roof slabs with mitre joints is a very bad dream.
> >
> > I certainly don't worry about details of trim moldings and door knobs
and
> > renderings of trees when it is so difficult for me to bring the roofs
> > together. I don't know if there is help out there or if I am simply
> venting
> > my frustration. I wish the roof object would work if I could simply
click
> on
> > corners of objects in different constructs within the assmbled 3D view
of
> > the entire model...not to mention automatically updating with revisions
> made
> > to the underlaying constructs!
> >
> > I can upload a work in progress if it is any help, but I think it might
be
> > more beneficial of ADT had a built in sample of a complicated single
> family
> > residence, typical of what is being built today. Perhaps 5000 square
feet
> of
> > multiple levels, half levels and compound hip and gable roofs with
> octagonal
> > bump-outs, dormers, covered screened porches, etc. Then that sample
could
> > provide a template for maximizing the programs capabilities.
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

David:

Do you mean I can bring in the roof as a single component by itself and
place on to my ADT model? Can't say I have tried this.

Thanks

Dick B
"David Claflin" wrote in message
news:F3D00BB4DBB23CB3548A5AC7341C0594@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> You don't have to import a Sketchup file as a 2D, you can bring it in as a
> model. Check on Sketchup's site for a how-to.
>
> --
>
> David W. Claflin
> Associate/Architect
>
>
> TSP
>
> Architecture Engineering Construction
>
> 8751 E Hampden Ave, Suite A-1
> Denver, CO 80231-4928
> phone (303) 695-1997
> fax (303) 695-1938
> cell phone (303) 378-3414
> www.teamtsp.com <>
> --
> This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you
> are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error)
> please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any
> unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this
> e-mail is strictly forbidden.
>
>
>
> "Dick Barath" wrote in message
> news:C737568B6C948C57BE03A0990DF166F9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Richard:
> >
> > Download Sketchup (www.sketchup.com) and draw your roof in minutes. Only
> > problem you have to import to Autocad as a 2d projection. I couldn't
> agree
> > with you more this should be that simple. Try Sketchup you won't be
> > disappointed.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Dick Barath
> > "Richard A. Haas, P.E." wrote in message
> > news:428C978AD2286E0B8436296CA85A4278@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Basic stuff is still confusing me.
> > > The levels of a multilevel dwelling.
> > > 1. Footings and foundation walls
> > > 2. Garage slab and grade.
> > > 3. Top of foundation walls/bottom of main floor slab/base of garage
> walls.
> > > 4. Top of main floor slab/base of main floor walls.
> > > 5. Top of garage walls/base of bonus room floor slab.
> > > 6. Top of bonus room floor slab/base of bonus room walls.
> > > 7. Top of main floor walls/base of partial second floor slab/base of
> > partial
> > > first floor roof.
> > > 8. Top of second floor slab/base of second floor walls.
> > > 9. Bottom of bonus room ceiling slab.
> > > 10. Top of bonus room ceiling slab/base of garage wing roof.
> > > 11. Top of second floor walls/base of second floor ceiling slab.
> > > 12. Top of second floor ceiling slab/base of second floor roof.
> > > NOW---
> > > All these roofs, starting at different levels (main floor, garage
wing,
> > > second floor, plus porches which I forgot to mention above, bump-outs
> for
> > > bay windows or fireplace, dormers, whatever, have to come together and
> > meet.
> > > This has become my nightmare since I could have a "construct" for each
> of
> > > the above levels and perhaps separate "divisions" for the house,
garage,
> > > porch, deck, etc.
> > >
> > > This is basic stuff that I cannot seem to pull together. I end up
> manually
> > > drawing roofs in 2D elevation views and also hatching in the finished
> > > surfaces. Also manually manipulating sections after exploding them.
> Trying
> > > to work with a 3D model view of all these constucts assembled at
> > appropriate
> > > levels and applying roof slabs with mitre joints is a very bad dream.
> > >
> > > I certainly don't worry about details of trim moldings and door knobs
> and
> > > renderings of trees when it is so difficult for me to bring the roofs
> > > together. I don't know if there is help out there or if I am simply
> > venting
> > > my frustration. I wish the roof object would work if I could simply
> click
> > on
> > > corners of objects in different constructs within the assmbled 3D view
> of
> > > the entire model...not to mention automatically updating with
revisions
> > made
> > > to the underlaying constructs!
> > >
> > > I can upload a work in progress if it is any help, but I think it
might
> be
> > > more beneficial of ADT had a built in sample of a complicated single
> > family
> > > residence, typical of what is being built today. Perhaps 5000 square
> feet
> > of
> > > multiple levels, half levels and compound hip and gable roofs with
> > octagonal
> > > bump-outs, dormers, covered screened porches, etc. Then that sample
> could
> > > provide a template for maximizing the programs capabilities.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>