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*GGA, STU
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Helvetica True Type Font...

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05-24-2001 06:12 AM
Could someone please help me out. I need the Helvetica True Type font
(.TTF) for use in one of my projects. My consultant is on a Mac. I'm
pretty much looking for the entire font family, (Bold, Regular, etc...) If
someone could please post what you can find for me I would greatly
appreciate it!

Thank you,
STU
*MacLeod, Arthur
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Re: Helvetica True Type Font...

05-24-2001 07:41 AM in reply to: *GGA, STU
Funny you should ask. My client does the same thing. I spent a half hour
today looking on the net and came up with zip. Maybe there is another name
for Helvetica? Why is it that Mac users have to drive PC users nuts with
these oddities. It's like the tail wagging the dog.

Arthur
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"STU @ GGA" wrote in message
news:5C9436F0B51A149B9142B37A23174E64@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Could someone please help me out. I need the Helvetica True Type font
> (.TTF) for use in one of my projects. My consultant is on a Mac. I'm
> pretty much looking for the entire font family, (Bold, Regular, etc...)
If
> someone could please post what you can find for me I would greatly
> appreciate it!
>
> Thank you,
> STU
>
>
*weisman, hugh
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05-24-2001 07:46 AM in reply to: *GGA, STU
Helvetica and Arial are essentially the same. Helvetica is the real thing.
Arial is a copy because Microsoft/Autodesk didn't license Helvetica form the
copyright holder (who I think is Adobe).

Hugh


"Arthur MacLeod" wrote in message
news:C943F0CA09DFCB3D9C845F1A8A86420A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Funny you should ask. My client does the same thing. I spent a half hour
> today looking on the net and came up with zip. Maybe there is another name
> for Helvetica? Why is it that Mac users have to drive PC users nuts with
> these oddities. It's like the tail wagging the dog.
>
> Arthur
> ___________________________________________________________________
> "STU @ GGA" wrote in message
> news:5C9436F0B51A149B9142B37A23174E64@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Could someone please help me out. I need the Helvetica True Type
font
> > (.TTF) for use in one of my projects. My consultant is on a Mac. I'm
> > pretty much looking for the entire font family, (Bold, Regular, etc...)
> If
> > someone could please post what you can find for me I would greatly
> > appreciate it!
> >
> > Thank you,
> > STU
> >
> >
>
>
*weisman, hugh
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Re: Helvetica True Type Font...

05-24-2001 10:02 AM in reply to: *GGA, STU
Here are some interesting discussions about TrueType vs Adobe PS 1 fonts re:
Helvetica /Arial that I found on the web:

Here are some interesting comments I found on the web about the history of
TrueType and Adobe PS1 fonts especially Helvetica / Arial.



FROM: Vadim PlesskyDATE: 12/30/2000 12:20:14SUBJECT: RE: true type fonts
Friday 29 December 2000 20:57, Eleknader ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ:
| -----Original Message-----
| Dear list,
|
| I hope to do not make a fool of myself with the following question, what
is so special about (or what are the advantages of ) true type fonts?
|

I agree with most things which Eleknader shared with us.As I was in DTP
business in 1992-1993 and started using TrueType from Windows 3.1 (I even
was testing Beta of Win 3.1; still there was no mechanism to report bugs to
MS :-), I'd like to add something for people who are interested in TrueType.

TrueType font technology was co-developed by Apple and Microsoft to give a
fight to Adobe. Yes, Adobe was abolute "King of the Fonts" in 1992, and it
had monopoly much more strong then Intel now on processors (about 70% or 80%
of the market) or Microsoft on Desktop (90% of the market).

Ironically, but MS was in very weak position in 1991-92 concerning fonts,
and Adobe was charging more then $100 for Adobe Type Manager and set of 35
PostScript Type1 fonts (outlines). There were a lot of discussions that
time, and may people were saying that TrueType "will not survive because
Adobe doesn't support it", and "TrueType fonts have bad quality comparing to
Postscript Type 1 fonts". Major difference between TT and PS T1 is that TT
uses for interpolation quadratic polynoms (ax^2+bx+c), while PS - cubic
(ax^3+bx^2+cx+d) Therefor, TT is rendered faster, but requires more
intersection dots. PS T1 has less segments, but needs more processing power.

Microsoft won the battle against Adobe.Thanks to that, Adobe opened Type one
specifications (which was closed), and you can have now Type 1 fonts not
only from Adobe but from many other vendors.

TrueType provides mechanism for *font scaling* and *hinting* Hinting is
process which allows renderer to re-align several pixels making glyph look
like better. If you see some ugly [TrueType] font on your display - that's
becuase hinting in it is bad or just missing.

Here is about names.

Adobe Microsoft (Monotype) Apple (Mac)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Helvetica Arial Geneva
Times Times New Roman ?
Courier Courier New ?

So, when you see FONT tag in HTMl saying fontname="Arial, Helvetica, Geneva,
Sans-Serif" you should read it as follwing:
-if there is Arial font installed (user is on MS Windows platform)
use it
-Helvetica instlled (most likely, you have somebody from publishing business
with Adobe Type manager and Helvetica typeface in Type 1 format) - use it
-there is Geneva - hey, Mac user!
-otherwise - use any Sans-Serif font (read: somebody on UNIX)

I encourage to pay some attention to this link (on my site): Do you have
Arial font installed? Just test it!
http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html

IMHO, it's a lot of fun ;-)

| --
| Richard Bos
|
| True Type fonts are a standard. If you make a file that uses True Type
| fonts, there's a chance that someone else who opens or prints it out
will get it
| looking the same you do. Sometimes fonts are a problem: I work on a new
| media company and my co-workers have a lot problems sharing e.g. graphic
or txt
| documents because they or somebody else does not have the same fonts.
And, while
| True Type is supposed to be a standard, a Helvetica in Windows does not
look
| exactly the same as Helvetica in Macintosh...
|
| So, basically, if you want to share documents and would like them to
look
| just the same, you should have the right fonts installed. In my honest
opinion
| fonts in X windows are not good enough. You have to install additional
fonts,
| and propably pay for them. Good fonts are not free...
|
| Cheers, Eleknader

--
*Gatzke, Mike
Message 5 of 6 (3,301 Views)

Re: Helvetica True Type Font...

05-24-2001 12:34 PM in reply to: *GGA, STU
Fonts are one commodity that too many people take for granted and assume as
freeware. "Helvetica" is indeed a copyrighted font by Adobe. If you want to
buy Helvetica, it is part of the Type Basics package and will cost $99.00
(see www.adobe.com). Type is no different than any other designed property.
If you can get by using Arial (which is free), that's great - just keep in
mind that the characters ARE different and spacing, leading, kerning, and
wrapping will not match to Helvetica. However, if you absolutely have to
have Helvetica - I say, "bite the bullet" and spend the money.

If we as Architects and designers of copyrighted material want others to
obey the copyright laws when dealing with our medium, then we must also
respect the copyright of other work and value it's uniqueness and aesthetic.

Mike Gatzke


"STU @ GGA" wrote in message
news:5C9436F0B51A149B9142B37A23174E64@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Could someone please help me out. I need the Helvetica True Type font
> (.TTF) for use in one of my projects. My consultant is on a Mac. I'm
> pretty much looking for the entire font family, (Bold, Regular, etc...)
If
> someone could please post what you can find for me I would greatly
> appreciate it!
>
> Thank you,
> STU
>
>
*M, Nauman
Message 6 of 6 (3,301 Views)

Re: Helvetica True Type Font...

05-28-2001 10:46 PM in reply to: *GGA, STU
Well apart from the theory and legality and everything else, to answer
your question and as Mike mentioned if you can live with Arial, then you
can setup a FONTMAPing file here is something from the help.



You can designate fonts to be substituted for other fonts. The fonts
used for the text in your drawing are determined by the text style and,
for multiline text, by individual font formats applied to sections of
text. Sometimes you might want to ensure that your drawing uses only
certain fonts, or perhaps you might want to convert the fonts you used
to other fonts. You can use any text editor to create font mapping
tables for both of these purposes.

You can use these font mapping tables to enforce corporate font
standards, or to facilitate off-line printing. For example, if you share
drawings with consultants, you may want to use a font mapping table to
specify what font AutoCAD substitutes when it encounters a text object
created with another font. Similarly, to edit the drawing using
quicker-drawing SHX fonts and then switch to more complex fonts for the
final plot, you can set up a font mapping table that converts each SHX
font to an equivalent.

The font mapping table is a plain ASCII text (FMP) file containing one
font mapping per line. Each line contains the base name of the font file
(with no directory name or path) followed by a semicolon (:smileywink: and the
name of the substitute font file. The substitute file name includes a
file extension such as .ttf.

For example, you can enter the following in a font map table to specify
that the times.ttf TrueType font file be substituted for the romanc.shx
font file:

romanc.shx; times.ttf

AutoCAD comes with a default font mapping table in the acad.fmp file in
the Support folder. You can edit this file using any ASCII text editor.
You also can specify a different font mapping table file in the Options
dialog box, or you can specify the font mapping file using theFONTMAP
system variable.



"STU @ GGA" wrote:
>
> Could someone please help me out. I need the Helvetica True Type font
> (.TTF) for use in one of my projects. My consultant is on a Mac. I'm
> pretty much looking for the entire font family, (Bold, Regular, etc...) If
> someone could please post what you can find for me I would greatly
> appreciate it!
>
> Thank you,
> STU

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