Plant 3D vs. CADWorx

[mfiglarz]

Hello People,

So I wanted to post this for the genral public to answer to see your input on how you feel P3D is... 

1. Can the system handle pharmaceutical tubing with sanitary tri-clamp and orbital weld long tangent fittings and valves?

2. Do the libraries with these sanitary items come with the package?

3. Can it handle ported valves, zero static valves and offset control valves?

4. Can custom valve configurations be made?

5. Do valve levers, hand wheels and actuators come with valves?

6. Can custom valve actuators be made?

7. Are actuators attached to valves or separate items?

8. Can custom fittings be made quickly and easily?

9. Does the system handle “taps” (extra connect points) on fittings and valves?

10. Do taps run properly on isometrics?

11. Does this system use isogen to configure isometrics?

12. Can iso text and material call outs be customized?

13. How does the system handle insulation and tracing? Does it show on plans and isos?

14. How many piping material specs come with the package?

15. What are the material types, ratings and end connections?

16. Does the system handle Teflon lined flanged pipe?

17. Do lined pipe flanged fittings come with the program?

18. Does the system handle Swagelok fittings and valves?

19. Does a Swagelok spec come with the package?

20. Has the system been used to do copper tubing with solder joints?

21. Is a copper fittings and valves library available?

22. Has the system been used to do FRP piping?

23. Is an FRP fittings and valves library available?

24. Can adapters, fittings and valves be made with a different type of connection on each end?

25. Are laterals and crosses available?

26. Are weld-o-let type fittings available?

27. Are elbolet fittings available?

28. Are sloped lines an issue?

29. Can fittings be trimmed?

30. Can piping /tubing be bent to various radii and angles?

31. Do flex hoses, drip rings, strainers, etc. come with the program?

32. Do supports come with the package? Can they be customized or new ones added?

33. Does the program interface with any pipe stress software?

34. Can field welds and iso breaks be added?

35. Can wall and floor penetrations be added to automatically show on isos?

36. Can isos be set to extract data from line lists?

37. Can piping assemblies be copied or do they need to be rebuilt for each system?

38. Do AutoCAD commands work on model components?

39. Can piping be copied pasted to other models?

40. Can small projects be modeled with minimum detail?

41. Can equipment nozzles and components be copied?

42. Can equipment models be copied?

43. Does a steel component come with the package?

44. Does it include stairs, ladders, platforming and handrail?

45. Is a separate “admin” person needed to set up piping material specs, customization and iso extraction?

46. Can you send us some sample isos of a complex multi-sheet system?

47. Can text and tags be automatically placed on plans from model intelligence?

48. Can you send a sample piping plan drawing?

49. Can you send us a list of engineering and operating companies currently using this product?

50. Can you send us a list of engineering and operating companies currently using this product for sanitary tubing?

[PeterQuinn]

I really don't think you're going to get people to answer a 50 question quzz comparing Cadworx to Plant 3D.

I suggest you contact your reseller or someone in Autodesk sales to help you.

[mfiglarz]

Pete and cummunity,

I have emailed a couple of people at Autodesk and my reseller... but I got a lot of loaded answers from both. 

I was hoping the Autodesk community or the support staff from Autodesk would jump at the chance to support their product and tell us it will be better than the other guys.  My company is not in the oil and gas industry but in pharmaceutics and we have a big need for a good p&id package. 

I understand it was a lot of questions but I am sure a lot of people are looking for the same answers.

Cheers,

Martin

[dave.wolfe]

It's better than the other guys...;)

I've sent you a PM with some details. In general our pharma clients end up treating multiport valves on the P&ID as equipment, and then not generating isometrics for those lines. If that is all you do, that may not work for you.  However, for ours it did, and it works well.

There is a lot of content available from the Plant 3D store apps.exchange.autodesk.com, I think most of the 3d content you are looking for is there.

Isometrics are more flexible.

[mfiglarz]

I am going to keep these replies 100% anonymous so please don't ask... I have 4 relies so far sent to me.  

I am sure others are in the same boat as me and need good info on what to use.  This was very helpful to me and my team... I have almost everyone convince to switch to Plant 3D.  

1. Can the system handle pharmaceutical tubing with sanitary tri-clamp and orbital weld long tangent fittings and valves?
No tubing yet. Everything else is possible.
2. Do the libraries with these sanitary items come with the package?
No
3. Can it handle ported valves, zero static valves and offset control valves?
Yes
4. Can custom valve configurations be made?
Yes
5. Do valve levers, hand wheels and actuators come with valves?
Yes
6. Can custom valve actuators be made?
Yes
7. Are actuators attached to valves or separate items?
Attached
8. Can custom fittings be made quickly and easily?
Yes
9. Does the system handle "taps" (extra connect points) on fittings and valves?
Yes
10. Do taps run properly on isometrics?
Yes
11. Does this system use isogen to configure isometrics?
No. Autodesk has developed a product similar ISOGEN to generate isometrics.
12. Can iso text and material call outs be customized?
Yes
13. How does the system handle insulation and tracing? Does it show on plans and isos?
When Insulation is on it will show similar to double wall pipe. It does show in isos the same way ISOGEN does.
14. How many piping material specs come with the package?
Just over 70 pipe specs are delivered with Plant 3D
15. What are the material types, ratings and end connections?
All ASME standards
16. Does the system handle Teflon lined flanged pipe?
Yes
17. Do lined pipe flanged fittings come with the program?
Yes
18. Does the system handle Swagelok fittings and valves?
Yes
19. Does a Swagelok spec come with the package?
No. Must be downloaded from App Exchange (Free Download)
20. Has the system been used to do copper tubing with solder joints?
Yes. You will need to create a custom catalog for copper
21. Is a copper fittings and valves library available?
No
22. Has the system been used to do FRP piping?
Yes.
23. Is an FRP fittings and valves library available?
No. Must be downloaded from App Exchange (Free Download).
24. Can adapters, fittings and valves be made with a different type of connection on each end?
Not at the moment
25. Are laterals and crosses available?
Yes
26. Are weld-o-let type fittings available?
Yes
27. Are elbolet fittings available?
Yes
28. Are sloped lines an issue?
No
29. Can fittings be trimmed?
Yes
30. Can piping /tubing be bent to various radii and angles?
Not at this time
31. Do flex hoses, drip rings, strainers, etc. come with the program?
Strainer and drip rings are available but flex hose
32. Do supports come with the package? Can they be customized or new ones added?
Yes we have an extensive amount of supports OOTB. You can also create custom supports
33. Does the program interface with any pipe stress software?
Yes. Plant 3D can export to a PCF file for import to stress analysis software. Not bi-directional
34. Can field welds and iso breaks be added?
Yes
35. Can wall and floor penetrations be added to automatically show on isos?
Yes
36. Can isos be set to extract data from line lists?
Yes. Referred to as a LDT (Line Designation Table)
37. Can piping assemblies be copied or do they need to be rebuilt for each system?
Can be copied
38. Do AutoCAD commands work on model components?
Yes. All AutoCAD Editing Commands can be used.
39. Can piping be copied pasted to other models?
Yes
40. Can small projects be modeled with minimum detail?
Please explain
41. Can equipment nozzles and components be copied?
Yes
42. Can equipment models be copied?
Yes
43. Does a steel component come with the package?
Yes. 3 Structural products come with Plant Suite. Plant 3D itself has a structural component with do end connection details. We also provide Revit Structure and AutoCAD Structural Detailing.
Autodesk just recently acquired Advanced Steel that’s not part of the Suite.
44. Does it include stairs, ladders, platforming and handrail?
Yes
45. Is a separate "admin" person needed to set up piping material specs, customization and iso extraction?
No but recommended
46. Can you send us some sample isos of a complex multi-sheet system?
See attachment
47. Can text and tags be automatically placed on plans from model intelligence?
No. They can be manually place using the model ittelligence
48. Can you send a sample piping plan drawing?
See attachment
49. Can you send us a list of engineering and operating companies currently using this product?
I don’t directly have the info for this
50. Can you send us a list of engineering and operating companies currently using this product for sanitary tubing?
I don’t directly have the info for this

[jabowabo]

My two cents:
24. Yes.
28. Yes, branch connections are a PITA.
41. I don't think this is possible with equip made with the P3D module.
43. ASD is discontinued after 2015.
45. You're going to have a hard time without one for anything but small projects.
47. Yes for p&ids and orthos. No for 3d models.

[lauth]

All good questions!  It's important to know the strengths & limitations of the software.  It is my experience that training, support, & maintenance  are also important considerations.  Also consider future growth, conversion, & interoperability with other software.  Have you searched www.davetyner.com?  There is a lot of info there for several plant software packages as well as direction to some 3rd party software.  Good luck!

[mfiglarz]

We have been using Plant and P&ID for a few years now and I can say it's been good!

Was it work... YES!

Did we have ups and downs... YES!

Are most of my users happy... YES! That's key to me!

Setup is always work and change is never easy but progress is great!

Thanks all!

[Chuck_pietra]

We have been using CADWorx since 2007 both Plant and P&ID  .  There is a faction of the company that uses Plant 3D.  The Original Post was CADWorx vs Plant 3D     Did you come up with any conclusions ?  

[mfiglarz]

We are 100% PLANT 3D now and it was a lot of work I cannot lie there... but it works!

I did hear from CADWorx and it sounds like they made some great changes if I had the opportunity to go back in time and redo this I think I would keep CADWorx. The cost alone is huge and can tell you there are other options out there that work better... no names will be posted 😛

[Chuck_pietra]

We have been with CADWorx for a long time Hexagon owns Intergraph now and investing in the product heavily. Not sure about Autodesk in this arena. They have stubbed their toe in the past.

[DJPiper]

I go with plant 3D all the way! with proper set up, Plant 3D will do the Job. Most of us in our Team are Heavy PDS, Smartplant , Autoplant, and CADWorx users before we learn about Plant 3D, and all of us are happy and contended using it. I must say yes there are still some area that needs to be improved and i've seen Autodesk is working on that every year. Have look on what' new in Cadworx 2018, Most of them are already exist in Plant 3D.

[darrelldixon]

Does CadWorx still require you to purchase a seat of AutoCAD to work with it?

[Slawomir_]

CADWorx require AutoCAD or BricsCAD.

[mfiglarz]

And BricsCAD is cheap... really cheap and runs great. I have been playing with it and cannot crash it.

[m.van.valen_ECO]

Is there a connection possible from CADWorx to Autodesk Vault?