AutoCAD Plant 3D General DIscussion

AutoCAD Plant 3D General DIscussion

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patrickauffret3015
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Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

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09-27-2011 02:11 PM

Has anyone had any experience using the PCF output from Plant3D into Casar II, AutoPipe or any other similar program?

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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

08-31-2012 06:11 AM in reply to: patrickauffret3015
I have imported a .pcf from plant into AutoPipe. It worked well, but there was a lot of cleanup required.
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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-02-2012 10:48 PM in reply to: dthunes

Hi,

 

Could you let us know what kind of clean up was required?



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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-05-2012 07:57 AM in reply to: Venkatesan.A

I used the Autodesk Inventor .pcf translator.

 

The cleanup required is as follows. I may have missed some things, and I definitely have included some things that go beyond the scope of exporting form Plant 3D:

    Set the material, temperature, and other properties for each segment/between each point.

    Fix the elbows (see below).

    Modify flanges (see below).

    Delete extra points (see below).

    Set properties for valves.

    Set nozzle movements

    Fix branch issues (see below).

    Set anchors, guides, and hangers. Modify imported hangers.

    Set details on expansion joints.

    Add additional loads.

 

Fix the elbows: The .pcf file defines an elbow with a point on each end, a point at the centerline intersection, and the radius.  AutoPipe omits the end points of an elbow. AutoPipe thinks the elbow will not fit, and throws an error at every elbow. 

 

Modify flanges: The .pcf file defines a flange with a point on each end. AutoPipe defines the flange at only one end. This produces an extra point that may be deleted. The weight and other properties of the flange also need to be added.

 

Delete extra points: As discussed above, there are extra points at all elbows and flanges, along with other extra points. If any modification of the pipe needs to be made to the pipe run, it is best to delete the extra points.

 

Fix branch issues: If a pipe in Plant 3D does not ISO correctly, there is a good chance that it will not import into AutoPipe correctly. I have had particular issues with a "Y" connection. The pipe was able to import into AutoPipe regardless, and it was reasonably easy to fix.

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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-05-2012 08:01 AM in reply to: dthunes

Does Autodesk have plans to incorporate stress analysis, hanger design, and code compliance into an Autodesk product? AutoPipe and CAESAR II are showing their age, and it would be nice to keep everything within the Autodesk family.

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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-12-2012 02:30 AM in reply to: dthunes

CAESARII is the product of Intergraph, I don't think Intergraph will allow to use, however Autocad supports for CADWORX which is the product of Intergraph.

 

The present version of CII doesn't allow any PCF. Only the earlier version of CII 5.1 & 5.0 supports the PCF generated from Plant3d space.

 

I request Autodesk to limit the use of 3d space only to Plant3d, why Autodesk should support the Intergraph when they limit the Plant3d.

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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-12-2012 02:36 AM in reply to: Arun_Kumar_K

Plant3d could have a bidirectioonal link with the other good stress analysis software "CAEPIPE", which will surely be appreciable from all.

 

The present day software market concentrate on whole solution from Modelling and Analysis.

 

Autodesk only supports modelling, which needs to think on Analysis.

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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-12-2012 03:22 AM in reply to: dthunes

HI,

 

Thanks for your inputs.

I cant comment on that but we certainly appreciate and value your feedback.



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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

09-12-2012 03:22 AM in reply to: Arun_Kumar_K

Arun,

 

Thanks for your feedback.



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Re: Plant 3d - Pipe Stress Analysis

01-30-2013 08:39 AM in reply to: Venkatesan.A

Today I tried the export of Pcf to ROHR2 stress analysis software, find a good compatibility is there. Tomorrow I post the images.

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