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Placing a stanchion support on an elbow

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chad70811
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Placing a stanchion support on an elbow

Has anyone had any success with placing a stanchion support from the support palette on an elbow? Everytime I try to insert a stanchion support it will only insert on a straight run of pipe, no elbows allowed? I can get the dummy legs from the palette to attach to elbows, but they only show on the BOM as lengths of pipe. Any suggestions?
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sivapd
in reply to: chad70811

These seems to be the current program limitations. Perhaps you could provide some details (pictures, screenshots, drawings etc) as to how they are supposed to work so that we could improve the program in future.
Thanks, Siva (Autodesk)



Siva Thankappan
Technical Sales, Plant Solutions, Asia Pacific
Autodesk Singapore
Message 3 of 11
chad70811
in reply to: chad70811

Here is an example of a stanchion (base elbow support) in the field. Hope this helps autodesk clear this issue up for future releases.

Thanks,Chad
Message 4 of 11
gulnacm
in reply to: chad70811

on the command line type PLANTPIPESUPPORTADD choose the elbow.
The Pipe support UI will then be activated choose the Dummy Leg catagory.
You can then choose the diameter you want and insert the support on an elbow's node point

Mike G
Autodesk


Michael Gulnac
Technical Specialist
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Autodesk, Inc.
Message 5 of 11
Chavez79
in reply to: chad70811

Mike,

 

I'm getting the same result. This is a big problem. I need to connect supports to elbows and the stanchions won't connect. I have numerus dummy legs and the resulting ISO shows as open ended lengths of pipe.

Message 6 of 11
milic.srdjan
in reply to: Chavez79

Is it possible to edit a support catalog and make a copy of dummy leg, put a plate at the end of pipe, and use a correct SKEY for this type of support...

 

I think that SKEY is almost similar to Welded Sanction SKEY....

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Message 7 of 11
Rich.O.3d
in reply to: chad70811

what your after is not a 'dummy leg', it is a 'duck foot'

I create a 'simple pipe support' and attach it to the node at the top of the elbow,

SKEY=DUCK,TYPE=SUPPORT

For the model i make the geometry for the leg and base plate with basic 3d autocad objects then attach them to the simple ring i attached to the elbow.

Works perfectly.....except for a bug in plant3d that puts the iso symbol in upside down (refer thread in link).

http://www.davetyner.com/forum/showthread.php?8517-duck-foot-pipe-support

 

hope this helps, or that someone has a fix for the 'upsidedown duckfoot bug'

Cheers

Richard

CAD Management 101:
You can do it your own way,
If its done just how I say!
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Message 8 of 11
Chavez79
in reply to: chad70811

We came up with a similar work around. I created a duplicate part family using elbolets since they have the correct connections to elbows. I renamed the descriptions and changed the iso symbol and type. In the model we just have AutoCAD geometry overtop of the elbolet. It works, but we have the same problem with the symbol coming in upside down on the iso.

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Rich.O.3d
in reply to: Rich.O.3d

OK so here we are 1 1/2 years later.

 

Now Im using plant3d 2012.

 

Im back onto the plant side of a project and need to add a few duckfoot supports to elbows (stanchion supports / dummy legs supports)

It looks like this issue hasnt been fixed.

 

In this case, I have the stanchion geometry as autocad solids.

I use the "convert supports" tool from the pipe supports panel of the home ribbon.

objects seem to convert ok...

add type=support; skey=duck

run iso and guess what....duckfoot is shown in wrong orientation.

 

CAD Management 101:
You can do it your own way,
If its done just how I say!
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Message 10 of 11
Rich.O.3d
in reply to: Rich.O.3d

hmmm...

 

apparently the way the pipe was routed controls this.

 

when the pipe is routed from the bottom of the vertical leg down to the horizontal pipe, the support will have its rotation plane horizontal....this gives the incorrect orientation of the support symbol on the iso

when the pipe is routed from the horizontal up to the vertical, the support will have its rotation plane vertical...giving the correct symbol.

CAD Management 101:
You can do it your own way,
If its done just how I say!
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Message 11 of 11
EricNyh
in reply to: chad70811

Hopefully this will be fixed.

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