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P3D 2012 ISOMETRICS

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Message 1 of 19
sraffe10
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P3D 2012 ISOMETRICS

On 2011 version was able to include more lines onto a single isometric drawing, for 2012 this does not seem to work, with small sections of the line with very few components being drawn only?  Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a solution so that can be more flexible to what is shown?

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Message 2 of 19
pkw167
in reply to: sraffe10

2012 uses a different a different ISO generating engine then 2011, so as long as the pipe & components are on the same line, you can play with the clutter slider tab as well as "force to 1 ISO option(which I cannot get to work properly, it still splits it up).  And if you turn up the clutter slider, the ISO gets so messy that it is unusable without a lot of cleanup.  ISOGEN from 2011 and before was able to generate the same amount of items a lot cleaner.

 

Down sides of the 2012 ISO Generating engine that i dislike so far:

-fonts on the drawing are much bigger, and has a tendency to cross leader lines a lot.

-leaders do not touch items, so when they start crossing, its difficult to tell what it is pointing to

-fitting and components are also drawn much bigger, also contributes to more clutter looking ISOs

-pipe lines are drawn more "to-scale" with respect to fittings and components, so that clean stick-built look was lost.

-althou autodesk says there are more user control over the BOM appearence (layouts), I disagree... for one thing, back in 2011, we were able to stack 2 columns of cut-lists side by side in one area, but you can't now.

 

the more  you use it the more you will find it difficult to get that clean look from before... we will just have to live with it until this ISO generating engine/options/bugs are refined.

Message 3 of 19
DJPiper
in reply to: sraffe10

by default it spliting the iso by line number, and you can overwrite it. theres an options to tell the the iso extractor to do not split the iso even if they have the same line number

Message 4 of 19
kylepope
in reply to: sraffe10

"On 2011 version was able to include more lines onto a single isometric drawing, for 2012 this does not seem to work, with small sections of the line with very few components being drawn only?  Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a solution so that can be more flexible to what is shown?"

 

When you say lines, are talking about the splitting of a single tagged line, or multiple line numbers on one sheet?

 

"-althou autodesk says there are more user control over the BOM appearence (layouts), I disagree... for one thing, back in 2011, we were able to stack 2 columns of cut-lists side by side in one area, but you can't now.

Down sides of the 2012 ISO Generating engine that i dislike so far:

-fonts on the drawing are much bigger, and has a tendency to cross leader lines a lot.

-leaders do not touch items, so when they start crossing, its difficult to tell what it is pointing to

-fitting and components are also drawn much bigger, also contributes to more clutter looking ISOs

-pipe lines are drawn more "to-scale" with respect to fittings and components, so that clean stick-built look was lost."

 

1:  I agree, a little more "wrap" functionallity would be nice to the table control, rather than automatically assume splitting to a second sheet.

2: the fonts are controlled fairly easily through the Iso Themes, and utilize standard ADSK Styles to control size, font, etc.

3: Downside to using the LWT's, seems to "look" much better with a thinner lineweight assigned to the fittings.

4: Scale the symbols down, you can also do override themes to bring down the overall scale of small bore and vents/drains among others.

5: I agree, I'd like to "pull up" the lengths more to minimize long runs of "bare" pipe without sacraficing symbol size.

 

For an R1 release of a supporting package, I'm impressed though.  I've been able to produce some pretty clean iso's, with a little tweaking of course.  I also utilize a D sized border, which allows a little more "spread"

Kyle Pope
Process and Power Specialist
ECAD, Inc

Our Blog
www.pdoteam.com
Message 5 of 19
pkw167
in reply to: kylepope

mind sharing how to perform item 2 and 4?

 

I cannot figure how to change the sizes of font and fittings

 

Thanks

Message 6 of 19
kylepope
in reply to: pkw167

The bulk of the control for those 2 items are in the ISO Theme dialog, found when modifying a border:

 

Iso Style Dialog.png

With minor tweaking of the styles listed at the top, and/or the information below, you can bring your iso's into something a little closer.  This is based off the factory Final_ANSI-C template:

 

sc1.png

 

 

sc2.png

 

 

sc3.png

 

Hope this helps, it's actually one of the topics that I'm writing for our Blog so there should be a little more content up at some point.

Kyle Pope
Process and Power Specialist
ECAD, Inc

Our Blog
www.pdoteam.com
Message 7 of 19
karthik.nathan
in reply to: kylepope

Thanks for your detailed reply Kyle.

 

Referring to the following statements ...

 

"5: I agree, I'd like to "pull up" the lengths more to minimize long runs of "bare" pipe without sacraficing symbol size."

"-pipe lines are drawn more "to-scale" with respect to fittings and components, so that clean stick-built look was lost."

 

Is it possible to get a pcf (or screenshot) that has this issue and what the desired output should be. This will help us better the isometrics engine for the next release.

 

Thanks,

Karthik

Message 8 of 19
pkw167
in reply to: kylepope

I can't thank you enough Kyle,  the screen shots are great... that cleans up the ISOs greatly.

 

Much much appreciate your help.  Smiley Happy

Message 9 of 19
pkw167
in reply to: karthik.nathan


@karthik.nathan wrote:

Thanks for your detailed reply Kyle.

 

Referring to the following statements ...

 

"5: I agree, I'd like to "pull up" the lengths more to minimize long runs of "bare" pipe without sacraficing symbol size."

"-pipe lines are drawn more "to-scale" with respect to fittings and components, so that clean stick-built look was lost."

 

Is it possible to get a pcf (or screenshot) that has this issue and what the desired output should be. This will help us better the isometrics engine for the next release.

 

Thanks,

Karthik


Part of the problem was covered o this topic:  PCF attacments are also included there

 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-Plant-3D/P3D-2012-ISO-Scale/td-p/3141446

 

thanks

 

Message 10 of 19
kylepope
in reply to: pkw167

Karthik

Thanks for your detailed reply Kyle.

 

Referring to the following statements ...

 

"5: I agree, I'd like to "pull up" the lengths more to minimize long runs of "bare" pipe without sacraficing symbol size."

"-pipe lines are drawn more "to-scale" with respect to fittings and components, so that clean stick-built look was lost."

 

Is it possible to get a pcf (or screenshot) that has this issue and what the desired output should be. This will help us better the isometrics engine for the next release.

 

Thanks,

 

Best way I can describe it is like this, the software seems to try anbd make use of 100% of the drawing space, which is a GOOD thing, unless you get into a situation like this control station.  If the vertical and horizontal lines were shortened, the overall size of the control station could be scaled UP to give greater clarity as to what is happening in the fitting to fitting situation shown.  And this doesn't even have the bypass in yet...

 

shorten pipe.png

 

In this case, I wouldn't have much choice but to break it out into 2 or more spools, so that I could get the clarity that I'm looking for.

 

Feel free to contact me further if I can help or if you have any other questions.  I'm wide open to discuss this in greater detail.

Kyle Pope
Process and Power Specialist
ECAD, Inc

Our Blog
www.pdoteam.com
Message 11 of 19
murali.p
in reply to: kylepope

 

Thank you Kyle, the snapshot helps.

 

Karthik is away for couple of days, hence jumping in. Engine does not scale up the fittings and components (it uses the scale specified by the user). The reason why control station (marked in yellow below) is not spaced-out is because there are no pipes that can be geometrically stretched. All the components are connected to the fittings, hence the result. I would like to discuss this more with you, will contact you separately.

 

-Murali

 

original.png

Message 12 of 19
kylepope
in reply to: sraffe10

Feel free to contact me anytime.

KP
Kyle Pope
Process and Power Specialist
ECAD, Inc

Our Blog
www.pdoteam.com
Message 13 of 19
MOLGRAND
in reply to: murali.p

Hi,

I read your thread with interest - wish I had seen it before I spent many hours "playing" with the set-ups. Anyway I still have a couple of set-up issues that I hope somebody can help me with - see attached PDF file.

 

Thanks in advance

Regards

Gary

Message 14 of 19
kylepope
in reply to: MOLGRAND

On the hatch scale, edit the ISOCONFIG.xml file, goto line 210 (or just do a find on the line of text HatchPatternScale ) and change the value there.

 

I'll see what I can find on the other problems and let you know.

 

KP

Kyle Pope
Process and Power Specialist
ECAD, Inc

Our Blog
www.pdoteam.com
Message 15 of 19
pkw167
in reply to: MOLGRAND

The problem with LDT info now showing on lines with multiple ISOs is a known problem with no solutions yet.

 

this post covered it:

 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-Plant-3D/P3D-2012-Cutting-ISO-LDT-Bug/td-p/3159292

Message 16 of 19
pkw167
in reply to: MOLGRAND

on my last post, I ment "NOT" showing, not "NOW" showing... stupid edit function on this forum doesn't work

Message 17 of 19
MOLGRAND
in reply to: murali.p

Hi,

Thanks for your info - what prog do you use to open it up (I have founf the file) - could you clarify please - I think I am missing something somewhere

 

On the hatch scale, edit the ISOCONFIG.xml file, goto line 210 (or just do a find on the line of text HatchPatternScale ) and change the value -

 

 

Thanks

Gary

Message 18 of 19
kylepope
in reply to: MOLGRAND

I use a product called TotalEdit, it's a free download from www.codertools.com.  You can also open the file up in notepad, but it has no formatting so it can be a little tricky to read.  

 

KP

Kyle Pope
Process and Power Specialist
ECAD, Inc

Our Blog
www.pdoteam.com
Message 19 of 19
MOLGRAND
in reply to: murali.p

Hi,

Thanks that sorted out the hatch scaling a treat - I just need a few other answers on some other posts I did & Iwill be there on the Isos

 

Regards

Gary

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