ORTHO CREATION WITH FROZEN LAYERS

[GSC_HAYA]

Hello

I have a master model with different xattaches to the piping systems.

Before the creation of the ortho I freeze some layers after adjusting the ortho cube.

But in the generated ortho all these frozen layers are visible again...

What is to do?

Thanks Guido

WIN7, P3D 2014

[vakhtang]

i have the same problem on one of my models.

[blorich]

This is a known issue with ortho gen, if it is in the model and not clipped out, it willshow up no matter what. Layer Freezing does not work in ortho generator.  You will have to move those pipes to a different xref and remove them from your master xref when you want to create an ortho.

What I have done is created sperate piping models for every system, (steam, water, air, etc...) and when I want to create an ortho I create an xref that is specific to that drawings.  That way I only load in what I want that xref to show.

[vakhtang]

you mean i have to detach x-ref from my master drawing every time i produce orthos and then insert them again???? and it is not only about pipes, it's about equipment and stuff. for instance, i had walls on x-ref attached and even when i turn them off - x-ref layer itself as well as all the layers inside x-ref - those walls still visible in orthos.

[blorich]

Yes sir, if it is in the xref, and is not clipped out using the ortho clipping tool then it will show up. This is one of many threads about this topic.  You may want to rethink how you put drawings together and start creating more drawings so you can pick and choose what you want.

Please reply kudos since this is the only awnser.   

[JohnHolder]

What I have been doing is creating ortho specific masters to compensate.

[vakhtang]

what do you mean by ortho clipping tool? just read a thread that plant 3D doesnt have ortho clipping tool.

btw in some cases freezinf x-ref layer works, but i still cannot figure out HOW THE HELL in happens

[GSC_HAYA]

John

what do you mean with ortho specific masters?

G

[JohnHolder]

I have a MASTER file for the entire site.  then SUB-MASTER files for each area.  When I create ORTHO drawings, I want to focus on one particular subject - eg the water supply piping.  So I make a file called O-Supply Piping - with only the drawings involved with the Supply Piping Ortho drawing, instead of unloading files from a SUB-MASTER file. 

I found that when I used a SUB-MASTER file I had to unload and reload files for each ortho and if there were any changes, I had to go back over and over and reload or reunload xrefs all the time.  figured I would save time and just made a bunch of ORTHO centered master files. 

Does that make sense?

fyi - I don't fit into any nitch.  I design aquaculture land based RAS systems so my piping and facility is most likely less complicated than most peoples here.  and I deal with water only.

John.

[Arun_Kumar_K]

You can use a work around...plant hide command..whatever you hide in this will not be visible in ortho creation.

Freezing layer shouldm't to be shown in Ortho, this is a long time wishlist from many users.

[Bernd.Gerstenberger]

Hi Guido,

I understand that you freeze some layers during the ortho creation while you see the ortho cube. After ortho creation these layers are unfrozen in the resulting ortho drawing. Correct?

This is because ortho creation uses 2 different templates while ortho creation. The one template which will be used during the ortho cube definition is another than the one which will be used for the ortho results. The name of the template which is used for the ortho cube definition is OrthoTemp.dwt, the other one is by default Ortho - A1 -Color Dependent Plot Styles.dwt or Ortho - A1 -Named Plot Styles.dwt for a metric project. 

So you have changed the layer properties for the OrthoTemp.dwt which has no effect for the resulting orthographic drawing. You have to do this in the other template if you want this to do for all e.g. supports for all viewports. If you have several viewports in your ortho drawing and you want to hide in one viewport the supports but you want to show it in another one, you can do this afterwards by using the layer manager. The supports will be saved on different layers: for each viewport one specific layer. The name of this layer is <Ortho cube view>-SUPPORTS, e.g. Iso SW View-SUPPORTS. So you are able to freeze/unfreeze the support layer separately for each viewport. 

Regards

[TRdesigner82]

In my experience, you can freeze layers once your view is created as Bernd is saying. However, the line work that was blocked by the layer that you just froze still won't show up because it was never generated in the first place. So while you can freeze/turn off layers, you drawing is left with big holes in it so it's pretty much useless. Please someone let me know if I'm wrong but that what my experience has been.

[Arun_Kumar_K]

It is a known bug, the ortho cube should use the model space for generation.

The layer off after the ortho creation will make the layer off and the layer off objects behind that will not show. Please accept the bug and do the best in future release. Unless we realize the error we wont rectify.

[jhallajian]

This works well for me. Thanks Arun Kumar

[PeterQuinn]

This is not a bug. When you generate the ortho, you get a truly flat drawing. Look in model space if you want. It's been flattened. Once it's been flattened, the stuff that's been hidden is really gone from the view.

If you want to remove a layer, go to the orthocube view, freeze the layer and regenerate the view. This works in the most recent versions of Plant 3D. I'm not sure when we did this work, but it's been there for a while now.

[TRdesigner82]

I've noticed that you can freeze layers now in 2015 but I'm pretty sure you couldn't in 2014.

[alexander..sokolov]

Hi, if I correct undestud. From now, I can just freeze what I want in ortho cube and than created ortho everything will be nice?!

[jhallajian]

that is right. All you need to do on an existing ortho views is click click on the 'Edit View' button, freeze your desired layers and hit ok to update the view. You can always go back and thaw the layers and the objects will then show up on your ortho view again. Or if you are creating a new ortho view you can just freeze on off layers while creating your view.

I have valve handle 90d rotation shown for all valves in my model and I freeze them so they dont block other components on the ortho view.

Regards,

J

[alexander..sokolov]

I don't now why, but in my case it dosn't works.(  

My steps:

1) I start edit my view, press button edit - freez one layer, and then press button OK! After that nothing changed!!! 

2) I think maybe I must freez this layer in ortho view yet?! And than I freez this layer I saw many gaps, like erlier((((

And if I again press edit my view I will see my freez layer - state of layers don't changed(

Please tell me what's i've make wrong in my steps. I use PLANT 2015 SP2

[jhallajian]

what version of plant are you using? I am using 2015 and it works.