thanks for that. we have a full version r14 which we normally use to do this, albeit with a pre-written lisp routine. the text is not actually entities but pure text. the routine recognises text which appears as numbers and can perform calculations on these numbers. lines or nodes or points which are in a 3d format can be manipulated in LT, but it's the pure text i need to work on. you can imagine we're tired of always having to switch on the one computer in the office that has r14... and then find the sentinel/dongle if it's missing! our alternative is to buy the latest full version, but if we can do that in LT 2006, there is no need for further upgrades. again, thanks.