True decimal feet setting for civil engineers

[Anonymous]

I see this is on the AUGI wish list as #7. Anyone know what they mean by
this? I worried that it might mean that the Architects want Surveyors and
Engineers to work in a system that converts every 12 drawing units to a
reported distance of 1' and then reports fractions of that length in
decimals. So they don't have to scale Civil drawings.

I can't see this working. Especially when working in real world coordinate
systems.

Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts?

Allen

[Anonymous]

I might be wrong, and I am look at this from a distinctly Civil/Survey point
of view, but I would think it would mean just the opposite, drawings units
would be feet and decimal portions thereof, with a setting that would allow
Archi's to work in inches while still recognizing that 3" = 0.25' not 3" =
3' as it does currently.

At least that would be my interpretation, loosely backed up by several
threads that ran through the cadmanager NG a couple of months ago.

Jon Schmidt

[Anonymous]

Ah. But the Wish List item may not have been based on those threads.

I would hope you are correct. I wish this was how autodesk had handled it
from the first.

Allen

"Jon Schmidt" wrote in
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> I might be wrong, and I am look at this from a distinctly Civil/Survey
point
> of view, but I would think it would mean just the opposite, drawings units
> would be feet and decimal portions thereof, with a setting that would
allow
> Archi's to work in inches while still recognizing that 3" = 0.25' not 3" =
> 3' as it does currently.
>
> At least that would be my interpretation, loosely backed up by several
> threads that ran through the cadmanager NG a couple of months ago.
>
> Jon Schmidt
>
>

[Anonymous]

Well, we can only hope that AutoDesk recognizes that, at least in modern
times, the foot is the base unit off measure. If we really want to get
obtuse we could request the yard as the base and hold feet and inches up as
fractional units ;).

Jon

[Anonymous]

Well... We could shoot for chains. But a chain is just 1/10th of a furlong.
A Gunter's chain that is. And a furlong is 1/8th of a mile (British). A
Roman mile was 1000 paces (mile passus) 5000'. 1/8th of a Roman mile was a
stade. It was often confused by early British scholars for a furlong.

By the way should we be using U.S. Survey feet or International feet?


Allen

"Jon Schmidt" wrote in
message news:AB2EAF3196E232E4FC11154CDE18E9DC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Well, we can only hope that AutoDesk recognizes that, at least in modern
> times, the foot is the base unit off measure. If we really want to get
> obtuse we could request the yard as the base and hold feet and inches up
as
> fractional units ;).
>
> Jon
>
>

[Anonymous]

Hi Jon,

Modern !!!!! - you have to be joking.

It based on the distance from Henry VIII's nose to his finger tips, or
something equally obscure.

At least Napoleon's metre based on there being 10,000,000 metres from the
equator to the pole through Paris is based on something currently
measurable.

--


Laurie Comerford
CADApps
www.cadapps.com.au

"Jon Schmidt" wrote in
message news:AB2EAF3196E232E4FC11154CDE18E9DC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Well, we can only hope that AutoDesk recognizes that, at least in modern
> times, the foot is the base unit off measure. If we really want to get
> obtuse we could request the yard as the base and hold feet and inches up
as
> fractional units ;).
>
> Jon
>
>

[Anonymous]

The only way to correctly do this is to use 10/12 as a scale factor if
inserting or xref'ing architectural drawings.
The calculated result (that you can't see) is done by the software is more
than
0.83333333333333333333333333333333


"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:178932E8EF46F36AADA0638B664C0023@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I see this is on the AUGI wish list as #7. Anyone know what they mean by
> this? I worried that it might mean that the Architects want Surveyors and
> Engineers to work in a system that converts every 12 drawing units to a
> reported distance of 1' and then reports fractions of that length in
> decimals. So they don't have to scale Civil drawings.
>
> I can't see this working. Especially when working in real world coordinate
> systems.
>
> Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts?
>
> Allen
>
>

[Anonymous]

The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the
hogshead, and that's the way I likes it!

Grandpa Simpson from A Star Is Burns (2F31, 3/5/95)

:-)

[Anonymous]

Dooh!!! 😉

We could also use the King's inch. But which King?

John

"Bud" wrote in message
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> The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the
> hogshead, and that's the way I likes it!
>
> Grandpa Simpson from A Star Is Burns (2F31, 3/5/95)
>
> 🙂
>
>

[Anonymous]

True. But I would still like to know what is meant by "TRUE" decimal feet
setting. In not using LDT setting units to decimal and having 1 drawing
unit = 1 foot works fine.

Allen

"de" wrote in message
news:FD9F961B52BA87774A6D920BCDDE7983@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> The only way to correctly do this is to use 10/12 as a scale factor if
> inserting or xref'ing architectural drawings.
> The calculated result (that you can't see) is done by the software is more
> than
> 0.83333333333333333333333333333333

[Anonymous]

My apologies, when I said modern I meant modern America, I realize that most
of the world has moved on. I would like to move on but my fellow Americans
are married to this foot thing.

Besides this foot thing pretty much only affects those of us who live the
few countries that haven't adopted the metric system.

Jon

[Anonymous]

I see, we're going down that road again?

I like the gunters chain, the rod and the perch.

[Anonymous]

And wouldn't it be nice to not have to worry about scaling a drawing/xref
that is in,nominally, the same unit?

[Anonymous]

A yes, I remember my first lesson well: a Rod is a Rood is a Perch is a
Pole, and they're all 16 1/2 feet 😉

sm
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[Anonymous]

Gotta love those 3 pole roads. Lots of fun trying to find that 0.5' (work
in a colonial state, lots of odd measurements here)

Jon

[Anonymous]

Hi Jon,

"Besides this foot thing pretty much only affects those of us who live the
few countries that haven't adopted the metric system"

If only it did effect only the primitive countries like USA.

But the USA's economic dominance means that companies like Autodesk have to
double the programming effort in their software (and hence the price) to
cope with it.

We suffer because the software is set to default to imperial.

You suffer because you have to waste time dealing with strange scales, with
architect's units etc. What other society could waste so much effort on
having two units of measurement called the foot.

--


Laurie Comerford
CADApps
www.cadapps.com.au



"Jon Schmidt" wrote in
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> My apologies, when I said modern I meant modern America, I realize that
most
> of the world has moved on. I would like to move on but my fellow
Americans
> are married to this foot thing.
>
> Besides this foot thing pretty much only affects those of us who live the
> few countries that haven't adopted the metric system.
>
> Jon
>
>