Scale Block in SM

[BrianBabcock]

This sounds crazy...but it is really not....

Does anyone have a LISP routine out there that will work on the pre or post insertion line of the Autolisp: Function Line of Symbol Manager that will scale the insert by the dimscale?

Yes I know...I can insert using the scale factor multiplier - drawing setting to do this...but it will not work in Paperspace....

I guess softdesk cannot understand why I would use a scale other than 1:1 in paperspace...

[Anonymous]

I believe Softdesk left with the pterodactyl.


wrote in message news:5142160@discussion.autodesk.com...
This sounds crazy...but it is really not....

Does anyone have a LISP routine out there that will work on the pre or post
insertion line of the Autolisp: Function Line of Symbol Manager that will
scale the insert by the dimscale?

Yes I know...I can insert using the scale factor multiplier - drawing
setting to do this...but it will not work in Paperspace....

I guess softdesk cannot understand why I would use a scale other than 1:1 in
paperspace...

[BrianBabcock]

Tomâto
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Slip of the tongue....I meant Autodesk... : )

[Anonymous]

BBabcock wrote:

> I guess softdesk cannot understand why I would use a scale other than
> 1:1 in paperspace...

I'm not at all bashing by any means, but what do you use a scale other
than 1:1 for in paperspace?

I'm interested - different methods and all. And yes, I fully expect
this to become a very long thread 😉

--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[BrianBabcock]

Oh geesh...this has been beaten to death....in the past....

We make our layouts the same scale as our drawing....

It works out real nice....vports scaling is Zoom 1xp. One dimension style...I can dimension in Paperspace and the dimensions are actually to scale....No extra dim styles needed...I can list distances and they are correct...

All around easier..for drafts people in our office ot grasp...

All of our previous drawings use this technique..because our drawings pre-date layout tabs....

I know there are others in this forum that work this way too!

I can't stand the fact that my symbols come in at 1:1 in paperspace when it clearly says multiplier drawing scale....

Legends are a pain....PSLTSCALE would have to be toggeled...We just like to work in units that we can list lengths with.....

More of a preference....Mostly because this is the way we have been doing it for 10 years...to many minds and drawings to change.....

[Anonymous]

BBabcock wrote:

> More of a preference....

On that, I agree.

I work (or used to) the exact opposite way, for pretty much some of the
same reasons. I didn't want to start an argument, I just haven't seen
this discussion in a while 😉

When I first started using paperspace (R2000), I did it your way.
Scaled my title block rather than my VP. For civil purposes, I've
simply found it better (for me) to do all dims in modelspace, I've got 1
template with my various sheet size titleblocks in it, I don't insert
symbols into paperspace, and my legends are an integral part of my title
block (with the actual symbols that they represent custom loaded into
symbol manager) All my blocks are inserted into model space and they
reference the drawing scale.

Like you said, more of a preference. All of the above statements work
for me, may not work for you, but they're my methods.

To answer your original question, you can possibly set up a tool palette
to do what you're wanting to, providing you're on 2004+ release of LDT.
Check out:
http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com/2006/03/whered-my-symbol-manager-go.html#links

It was written for Civil 3D, but the same principles apply.

--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[Anonymous]

Folks (since I can't tell "gender" from BBabcock);

I'll take the opposite view - I can get accustomed to PS Text being 2, 4, 6
or 10 (.1 Text Height times the Scale Factor) - but I prefer to use their
natural Height and scale the VPs.

It may "suit" your current staff, but you may find difficulties as your firm
grows, and you hire those from the Dark Side.

Whatever floats the boat.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
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"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5142520@discussion.autodesk.com...
BBabcock wrote:

> More of a preference....

On that, I agree.

I work (or used to) the exact opposite way, for pretty much some of the
same reasons. I didn't want to start an argument, I just haven't seen
this discussion in a while 😉

When I first started using paperspace (R2000), I did it your way.
Scaled my title block rather than my VP. For civil purposes, I've
simply found it better (for me) to do all dims in modelspace, I've got 1
template with my various sheet size titleblocks in it, I don't insert
symbols into paperspace, and my legends are an integral part of my title
block (with the actual symbols that they represent custom loaded into
symbol manager) All my blocks are inserted into model space and they
reference the drawing scale.

Like you said, more of a preference. All of the above statements work
for me, may not work for you, but they're my methods.

To answer your original question, you can possibly set up a tool palette
to do what you're wanting to, providing you're on 2004+ release of LDT.
Check out:
http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com/2006/03/whered-my-symbol-manager-go.html#links

It was written for Civil 3D, but the same principles apply.

--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[Carlg]

Hay BBabcock,
Don't let all this hyperbole scare you off. But what I do is to set psltscale to 1 and the ddim editor I set to follow PS for dims. if I have any blocks that are inserted in PS that have a model scale I just reset the insert scale before I insert. As for the symbol manger it follows PS scaling as is and for other problems I use the Rescale in place blocks & text routine in the utilities/edit/ menu. That should do it.

Carl

[Anonymous]

Don Reichle wrote:
> Folks (since I can't tell "gender" from BBabcock);
>
> I'll take the opposite view - I can get accustomed to PS Text being 2, 4, 6
> or 10 (.1 Text Height times the Scale Factor) - but I prefer to use their
> natural Height and scale the VPs.
>
> It may "suit" your current staff, but you may find difficulties as your firm
> grows, and you hire those from the Dark Side.
>
> Whatever floats the boat.
>

You're actually doing things the same way I do...I STARTED OUT doing it
the way BBabcock does, but changed rather quickly.


--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry for mis-reading your portion...

Somewhere I got the idea you were supporting his methods, which in your
recently acquired profession maybe just be part and parcel of the way you
speak nowadays.

I know that there are two sides to this coin, and so the coin is useful from
both sides. We enjoy the picture we have picked as the "best" on whichever
side suits us.

So when we "handle" the coin, we pick it up - and by golly! - we've got it
by both sides at once!

We can still enjoy our favorite side - can't we?

Case in point...
I was just enjoying the re-introduction of the Buffalo-Bodied nickel
yesterday. George on one side - bison on the other. Still useful - no matter
which side is your favorite.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
LDT-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2GHz
XPPro 32bit SP2
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB
WD 36GB Raptor



"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5142924@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don Reichle wrote:
> Folks (since I can't tell "gender" from BBabcock);
>
> I'll take the opposite view - I can get accustomed to PS Text being 2, 4,
> 6
> or 10 (.1 Text Height times the Scale Factor) - but I prefer to use their
> natural Height and scale the VPs.
>
> It may "suit" your current staff, but you may find difficulties as your
> firm
> grows, and you hire those from the Dark Side.
>
> Whatever floats the boat.
>

You're actually doing things the same way I do...I STARTED OUT doing it
the way BBabcock does, but changed rather quickly.


--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[Anonymous]

Don Reichle wrote:

> Somewhere I got the idea you were supporting his methods, which in your
> recently acquired profession maybe just be part and parcel of the way you
> speak nowadays.

'splain me this part. You can do it in email if you want 😉

--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[Anonymous]

OK - I've re-read your 2nd post on this topic, and now I'm far more awake or
whatever. 🙂

I can see that you weren't siding with the OP, but were pointing out the
differences in your "styles".

My bad.

Now for my coffee - to clear the cobwebs. 🙂

Webcast in 14 minutes.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
LDT-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2GHz
XPPro 32bit SP2
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB
WD 36GB Raptor



"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5143103@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don Reichle wrote:

> Somewhere I got the idea you were supporting his methods, which in your
> recently acquired profession maybe just be part and parcel of the way you
> speak nowadays.

'splain me this part. You can do it in email if you want 😉

--
Jason Hickey

http://beneaththelines.blogspot.com

[BrianBabcock]

I used BBabcock maybe I should have used BrianB oh well...

S'ok I knew there would a side discussion in my topic. I don't like using design center...it is probably more powerful than symbol Manager..just in different ways....

I would still love a little lisp routine..I can use on preinsertion to scale said block to dimscale...ERRRR!!!!! very frustrating!

[Ferrisinc]

I use change space insert the block into model space, go into paperspace, double click inside your viewport to go to floating model space, type chspace, select block then double click in paper space and it'll bring the block over to paper space. Keeps rotation but rescales the block, it may or may not work for you, I guess you could give it a try and see.