Merge Layout command in Express Tools

[Anonymous]

I have a model tab with 11 layout tabs associated with it. I would like to share this file with other who don't have the 2005 capabilities of these layout tabs. So basically, I want to creat an autocad drawing out of my layout tabs and viewports. I tried the mergelayout command in express tools and it seems to have placed all my layout tab information in my main model tab minus what was in the viewports! I need all the information to appear as if it would print so I can send it to reviewing agencies or creat a dxf. Am I don't something wrong, using the wrong command or is there another way to do this? Thanks,
Molly

[Anonymous]

Hey Molly;

Well I guess I'll have to live up to my handle;

The only "out" that comes to mind is to go to Windows Explorer;
Copy the DWG file to a Data Transfer folder;
Copy that DWG file 10 times;
Open each Copy and start Deleting the Layouts that would be represented
individually in the other 10.

OpEd piece:
Maybe now some in the Peanut Gallery will understand why I don't advocate
more than one Layout per DWG.

You just never know...

--
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"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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wrote in message news:4843272@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have a model tab with 11 layout tabs associated with it. I would like to
share this file with other who don't have the 2005 capabilities of these
layout tabs. So basically, I want to creat an autocad drawing out of my
layout tabs and viewports. I tried the mergelayout command in express tools
and it seems to have placed all my layout tab information in my main model
tab minus what was in the viewports! I need all the information to appear
as if it would print so I can send it to reviewing agencies or creat a dxf.
Am I don't something wrong, using the wrong command or is there another way
to do this? Thanks,
Molly

[Anonymous]

Quite frankly, I wouldn't dream of a single layout in a single drawing
scenario simply because someday I >>might<< have to dumb it down for an
R14 user. Since I don't have to share design responsibilities, I have
many layouts in one big daddy drawing and I only have to load one
drawing, with no xrefs, and can plot an entire set in a heartbeat.

As for the user's problem, send them pdf's - they're for review - not
editing.

--
Karl Fuls PLS
Autocad AEC Training and Consulting
Autodesk Discussion Group Facilitator

Don Reichle wrote:
> Hey Molly;
>
> Well I guess I'll have to live up to my handle;
>
> The only "out" that comes to mind is to go to Windows Explorer;
> Copy the DWG file to a Data Transfer folder;
> Copy that DWG file 10 times;
> Open each Copy and start Deleting the Layouts that would be represented
> individually in the other 10.
>
> OpEd piece:
> Maybe now some in the Peanut Gallery will understand why I don't advocate
> more than one Layout per DWG.
>
> You just never know...
>

[Anonymous]

Hey Karl;

Thanks for the view into your "perfect" world.

There are too many of us who are placed into a symbiotic relationship where
that type of DWG causes just the problem Molly is talking about.

And if they reply that they NEED the data, then what?

I need some further information on your point re. r14. To my knowledge r14
never required multiple Layouts in order to function.

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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"Karl Fuls" wrote in message
news:4843636@discussion.autodesk.com...
Quite frankly, I wouldn't dream of a single layout in a single drawing
scenario simply because someday I >>might<< have to dumb it down for an
R14 user. Since I don't have to share design responsibilities, I have
many layouts in one big daddy drawing and I only have to load one
drawing, with no xrefs, and can plot an entire set in a heartbeat.

As for the user's problem, send them pdf's - they're for review - not
editing.

--
Karl Fuls PLS
Autocad AEC Training and Consulting
Autodesk Discussion Group Facilitator

Don Reichle wrote:
> Hey Molly;
>
> Well I guess I'll have to live up to my handle;
>
> The only "out" that comes to mind is to go to Windows Explorer;
> Copy the DWG file to a Data Transfer folder;
> Copy that DWG file 10 times;
> Open each Copy and start Deleting the Layouts that would be represented
> individually in the other 10.
>
> OpEd piece:
> Maybe now some in the Peanut Gallery will understand why I don't advocate
> more than one Layout per DWG.
>
> You just never know...
>

[Anonymous]

Hi, I would create yet another layout tab, copy all of the needed layouts into it and send that. All of the info you are looking for will be there. However, you will need to turn on all the viewports after you caopy and paste.

[Anonymous]

Which brings up another point I make regarding the performance drain caused
by all those Viewports you just mentioned.

I've been down this road enough to know that with the probability of having
at least two VPs for your average P-P sheet, and then throwing shall we say
ten Layouts into the mix, you had best have the LAYOUTREGENCTL setting at
zero, unless you want those regens to remind you of release 10.

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
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wrote in message news:4843785@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi, I would create yet another layout tab, copy all of the needed layouts
into it and send that. All of the info you are looking for will be there.
However, you will need to turn on all the viewports after you caopy and
paste.

[Anonymous]

Molly:

If I understand your situation properly, Toolpac (www.dotsoft.com ) has the
answer, LSF, Layout Save File. Of course you would have to buy it if you
don't have it, but you will never regret it with all the utilities that are
in it.

Bill

wrote in message news:4843272@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have a model tab with 11 layout tabs associated with it. I would like to
share this file with other who don't have the 2005 capabilities of these
layout tabs. So basically, I want to creat an autocad drawing out of my
layout tabs and viewports. I tried the mergelayout command in express tools
and it seems to have placed all my layout tab information in my main model
tab minus what was in the viewports! I need all the information to appear
as if it would print so I can send it to reviewing agencies or creat a dxf.
Am I don't something wrong, using the wrong command or is there another way
to do this? Thanks,
Molly

[Anonymous]

R14 only recognizes one layout.......

I still refuse to make my day to day work harder for a possible 'what if'.

--
Karl Fuls PLS
Autocad AEC Training and Consulting
Autodesk Discussion Group Facilitator

Don Reichle wrote:

> Hey Karl;
>
> Thanks for the view into your "perfect" world.
>
> There are too many of us who are placed into a symbiotic relationship where
> that type of DWG causes just the problem Molly is talking about.
>
> And if they reply that they NEED the data, then what?
>
> I need some further information on your point re. r14. To my knowledge r14
> never required multiple Layouts in order to function.
>

[Anonymous]

Then the "bear trap" remains securely in your path.

Tread lightly, and you may not trip the release (pun intended).

I prefer to have Plan B ready to go, as I've got the scars to show for my
"lack of vision".

Episode III in 6 days - if you recognize the quote. 🙂

Let's just agree to disagree, shall we.

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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--------------------------------------
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"Karl Fuls" wrote in message
news:4844855@discussion.autodesk.com...
R14 only recognizes one layout.......

I still refuse to make my day to day work harder for a possible 'what if'.

--
Karl Fuls PLS
Autocad AEC Training and Consulting
Autodesk Discussion Group Facilitator

Don Reichle wrote:

> Hey Karl;
>
> Thanks for the view into your "perfect" world.
>
> There are too many of us who are placed into a symbiotic relationship
> where
> that type of DWG causes just the problem Molly is talking about.
>
> And if they reply that they NEED the data, then what?
>
> I need some further information on your point re. r14. To my knowledge r14
> never required multiple Layouts in order to function.
>

[Anonymous]

Ok, I don't think I'm an experienced enough user to hang with you guys and I'm not sure I'm typing the terminology correct. Don - why in the world would you not advocate more than one layout tab per drawing???? Isn't that the whole point of the later AutoCad releases? You have one main Model Tab and all your construction drawing sheets rest on their individual Layout tab so that when you modify any linework to your overall file (in model tab view) you don't have to do it on ever single sheet. So I have my main file on my model tab and then layout tab 1 is the cover sheet, layout tab 2 is a plan and profile, layout tab 3 is a plan and profile, layout tab 4 is the grading plan and so on. All these layout tabs use viewports to access the main file via the model tab. Am I not being clear? Why would you not do this . Do you use xref instead and have every sheet of your construction drawing set in a whole separate dwg file? Anyway, layoutmerge in express tools seems to be the command for what I'm asking. My question was really asking if I'm doing it wrong? It does copy and paste all my layout tabs into the model tab, but the viewport information is missing. Does this command ignor viewports? Do you or anyone else know the extents and capabilities of this command.
Thanks,
Molly

[Anonymous]

Hey Molly;

I will answer those questions with just one question in return:

How many operators can make revisions to that procedure you mention?

I prefer the assembly line process where you can have numerous operators
perform those revisions at the same time, over the single operator scenario
inherent to your process. But that doesn't mean that I favor the
compartmentalization of the skills in the operator pool, either.

Making thoughtful use of the XREF'd Base DWGs, you can increase the
potential of your staff also. So that no one gets "stuck" in a position they
will get burnt-out on. All will work on various aspects of the
design/drafting process, so that anyone can be asked to fill in the
necessary assignments needed to complete the project on schedule.

No matter if the schedule was made up by someone who's not had enough
experience to realize that things still take time to accomplish. That view
takes into assumption that the object is to create a quality product,
requiring the least amount of comments from the reviewing agency.

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
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Intel 64MB


wrote in message news:4845762@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ok, I don't think I'm an experienced enough user to hang with you guys and
I'm not sure I'm typing the terminology correct. Don - why in the world
would you not advocate more than one layout tab per drawing???? Isn't that
the whole point of the later AutoCad releases? You have one main Model Tab
and all your construction drawing sheets rest on their individual Layout tab
so that when you modify any linework to your overall file (in model tab
view) you don't have to do it on ever single sheet. So I have my main file
on my model tab and then layout tab 1 is the cover sheet, layout tab 2 is a
plan and profile, layout tab 3 is a plan and profile, layout tab 4 is the
grading plan and so on. All these layout tabs use viewports to access the
main file via the model tab. Am I not being clear? Why would you not do
this . Do you use xref instead and have every sheet of your construction
drawing set in a whole separate dwg file? Anyway, layoutmerge in express
tools seems to be the command for what I'm asking. My question was really
asking if I'm doing it wrong? It does copy and paste all my layout tabs
into the model tab, but the viewport information is missing. Does this
command ignor viewports? Do you or anyone else know the extents and
capabilities of this command.
Thanks,
Molly

[Anonymous]

Just one! I'm it. There are only 2 engineers who work on computers here and there is no way either of us has time to help the other! So do you know about that command?

[Anonymous]

Having expressed my views on the matter, what do you think? 🙂

It's not one that I have had reason to experiment with - or hope to for the
foreseeable. Since I tend to plan ahead for the circumstances I've seen
sprout up over and over again in my career, I would most likely continue in
the vein I've adopted; hoping for the day when I would have that help I
mentioned earlier.

Hopefully there are others here that share the procedures you've adopted
under your circumstances, and can comment on this subject.

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
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Intel 64MB


wrote in message news:4846036@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just one! I'm it. There are only 2 engineers who work on computers here
and there is no way either of us has time to help the other! So do you know
about that command?

[Anonymous]

I still do not understand about "merging layout??"