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HEC-RAS Import & Export

Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
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Message 2 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
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"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 3 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

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XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 4 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 5 of 24
nzeeben
in reply to: Anonymous

It isnt perhaps exactly the answer you are looking for Neil, but I have seen
you in the c3d groups. We are beta testing a tool that exports direct to
hec ras and brings in the resulting analysis. Assuming you are the same
neil from over there.

http://www.civil3d.com/2006/08/ee-ras-tools-beta-2.html


--
Nick Zeeben
www.eng-eff.com
C3D 2007 SP1a
XP Tablet and Pro
"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 6 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 7 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi Nick. I am the same Neil from C3D, although not a 3D user as yet. Your
tools should fill a much needed gap in the ADESK offerings. We'll keep an
eye on your development as we move toward C3D.

wrote in message news:5272756@discussion.autodesk.com...
It isnt perhaps exactly the answer you are looking for Neil, but I have seen
you in the c3d groups. We are beta testing a tool that exports direct to
hec ras and brings in the resulting analysis. Assuming you are the same
neil from over there.

http://www.civil3d.com/2006/08/ee-ras-tools-beta-2.html


--
Nick Zeeben
www.eng-eff.com
C3D 2007 SP1a
XP Tablet and Pro
"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 8 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

even if you stay in the LDT zone, it would be really easy to use EE's HEC
RAS tools in C3D instead of dealing with ArcGIS

you could just landxml your surface and stream CL alignment over, then
copyclip your plines that represent your sections. you wouldn't have to
know much else.

let me know if i can help. I beta tested EE's program and I found it to be
pretty great compared to how I was doing it before. I'd like to hear what
other people have to say.

Dana

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
----------------------------------------------
Message 9 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

this is the main issue. we have rivers that require sections perp to
contours- and often they have 10 or so kinks per section.

The EE program handles as many kinks as you want- see my other post.

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
---------------------------------------------
Message 10 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

River Tools is a set of tools that:
a.. create alignments from lines automatically
a.. Create river channel sections along alignments from surface or points
and plot with labels at the breaks
a.. Create geo refrenced sections from alignment and profiles or sections
including cut lines, reach lengths and bank stations
a.. Draw River Banks ; Boundaries, Channel CL and Sections from HEC-RAS
.sdf file

View River Tools AVi
http://www.rsteltman.com/content/downloads/hecras1.avi

River Tools is part of the Road Tools suite of routine that enhances LDD and
Civil 3D for Civil Engineers and Surveyors. Download the FREE 30 day fully
functioning evaluation version http://www.rsteltman.com/


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 11 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi Dana, I am totally clueless: who is "EE"?

"Dana Breig Probert" wrote in message
news:5272789@discussion.autodesk.com...
even if you stay in the LDT zone, it would be really easy to use EE's HEC
RAS tools in C3D instead of dealing with ArcGIS

you could just landxml your surface and stream CL alignment over, then
copyclip your plines that represent your sections. you wouldn't have to
know much else.

let me know if i can help. I beta tested EE's program and I found it to be
pretty great compared to how I was doing it before. I'd like to hear what
other people have to say.

Dana

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
----------------------------------------------
Message 12 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"Engineered Efficiency" Neil:
http://www.eng-eff.com/

You've heard of them if you've happened to have seen any of the C3D Webcasts
when Mark Scacco has been the "presenter".

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273312@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Dana, I am totally clueless: who is "EE"?

"Dana Breig Probert" wrote in message
news:5272789@discussion.autodesk.com...
even if you stay in the LDT zone, it would be really easy to use EE's HEC
RAS tools in C3D instead of dealing with ArcGIS

you could just landxml your surface and stream CL alignment over, then
copyclip your plines that represent your sections. you wouldn't have to
know much else.

let me know if i can help. I beta tested EE's program and I found it to be
pretty great compared to how I was doing it before. I'd like to hear what
other people have to say.

Dana

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
----------------------------------------------
Message 13 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hey there... you two...

in the past i have had to end up defining the cross sections as actual
alignments- and manipulate the data as such-

specifically for the angled sections that are a part of the post... not
pretty but accurate... using the vert/alignment editor's report functions to
export the cros section/alignment data is key... and yes it does leave some
cleanup to do...

wading in a sea of imperfection does help us accomodate certain things at
times... 8^)

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272765@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 14 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thank you for the link. We are looking into it.

"steltman software" wrote in message
news:5273057@discussion.autodesk.com...
River Tools is a set of tools that:
a.. create alignments from lines automatically
a.. Create river channel sections along alignments from surface or points
and plot with labels at the breaks
a.. Create geo refrenced sections from alignment and profiles or sections
including cut lines, reach lengths and bank stations
a.. Draw River Banks ; Boundaries, Channel CL and Sections from HEC-RAS
.sdf file

View River Tools AVi
http://www.rsteltman.com/content/downloads/hecras1.avi

River Tools is part of the Road Tools suite of routine that enhances LDD and
Civil 3D for Civil Engineers and Surveyors. Download the FREE 30 day fully
functioning evaluation version http://www.rsteltman.com/


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 15 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks Don.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5273317@discussion.autodesk.com...
"Engineered Efficiency" Neil:
http://www.eng-eff.com/

You've heard of them if you've happened to have seen any of the C3D Webcasts
when Mark Scacco has been the "presenter".

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273312@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Dana, I am totally clueless: who is "EE"?

"Dana Breig Probert" wrote in message
news:5272789@discussion.autodesk.com...
even if you stay in the LDT zone, it would be really easy to use EE's HEC
RAS tools in C3D instead of dealing with ArcGIS

you could just landxml your surface and stream CL alignment over, then
copyclip your plines that represent your sections. you wouldn't have to
know much else.

let me know if i can help. I beta tested EE's program and I found it to be
pretty great compared to how I was doing it before. I'd like to hear what
other people have to say.

Dana

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
----------------------------------------------
Message 16 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hi Jesse,

We have been using that method as well. It is manageable but you can end
with over 100 alignments in your project which is a bit of a pain. The
bottom line is the LDT HEC tool is basically useless because of the way it
was designed. Hopefully the stuff being developed for C3D will bridge the
gap. For now it looks like we are stuck with a tedious job to get there no
matter what we do.

Thanks for the suggestion.

"jd-drafter" wrote in message
news:5273515@discussion.autodesk.com...
hey there... you two...

in the past i have had to end up defining the cross sections as actual
alignments- and manipulate the data as such-

specifically for the angled sections that are a part of the post... not
pretty but accurate... using the vert/alignment editor's report functions to
export the cros section/alignment data is key... and yes it does leave some
cleanup to do...

wading in a sea of imperfection does help us accomodate certain things at
times... 8^)

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272765@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
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"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 17 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Try the Steltman Tools Neil. You can use it for 30 days free.

John

"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273558@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Jesse,

We have been using that method as well. It is manageable but you can end
with over 100 alignments in your project which is a bit of a pain. The
bottom line is the LDT HEC tool is basically useless because of the way it
was designed. Hopefully the stuff being developed for C3D will bridge the
gap. For now it looks like we are stuck with a tedious job to get there no
matter what we do.

Thanks for the suggestion.

"jd-drafter" wrote in message
news:5273515@discussion.autodesk.com...
hey there... you two...

in the past i have had to end up defining the cross sections as actual
alignments- and manipulate the data as such-

specifically for the angled sections that are a part of the post... not
pretty but accurate... using the vert/alignment editor's report functions to
export the cros section/alignment data is key... and yes it does leave some
cleanup to do...

wading in a sea of imperfection does help us accomodate certain things at
times... 8^)

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272765@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 18 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I saw that John. I might do that. I see he uses LDT alignments to do the job
which means we will end up with an alignment for each cross section. It may
mean creating a new project just for the sampling in order to keep our
alignment database clean.

"John Mayo" wrote in message
news:5273544@discussion.autodesk.com...
Try the Steltman Tools Neil. You can use it for 30 days free.

John

"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273558@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Jesse,

We have been using that method as well. It is manageable but you can end
with over 100 alignments in your project which is a bit of a pain. The
bottom line is the LDT HEC tool is basically useless because of the way it
was designed. Hopefully the stuff being developed for C3D will bridge the
gap. For now it looks like we are stuck with a tedious job to get there no
matter what we do.

Thanks for the suggestion.

"jd-drafter" wrote in message
news:5273515@discussion.autodesk.com...
hey there... you two...

in the past i have had to end up defining the cross sections as actual
alignments- and manipulate the data as such-

specifically for the angled sections that are a part of the post... not
pretty but accurate... using the vert/alignment editor's report functions to
export the cros section/alignment data is key... and yes it does leave some
cleanup to do...

wading in a sea of imperfection does help us accomodate certain things at
times... 8^)

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272765@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 19 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Good housekeeping is essential. I have used the alignment work-around as
well & it does get a bit messy.

Good luck,

John

"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273683@discussion.autodesk.com...
I saw that John. I might do that. I see he uses LDT alignments to do the job
which means we will end up with an alignment for each cross section. It may
mean creating a new project just for the sampling in order to keep our
alignment database clean.

"John Mayo" wrote in message
news:5273544@discussion.autodesk.com...
Try the Steltman Tools Neil. You can use it for 30 days free.

John

"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273558@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Jesse,

We have been using that method as well. It is manageable but you can end
with over 100 alignments in your project which is a bit of a pain. The
bottom line is the LDT HEC tool is basically useless because of the way it
was designed. Hopefully the stuff being developed for C3D will bridge the
gap. For now it looks like we are stuck with a tedious job to get there no
matter what we do.

Thanks for the suggestion.

"jd-drafter" wrote in message
news:5273515@discussion.autodesk.com...
hey there... you two...

in the past i have had to end up defining the cross sections as actual
alignments- and manipulate the data as such-

specifically for the angled sections that are a part of the post... not
pretty but accurate... using the vert/alignment editor's report functions to
export the cros section/alignment data is key... and yes it does leave some
cleanup to do...

wading in a sea of imperfection does help us accomodate certain things at
times... 8^)

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272765@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
Message 20 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

yep...

like trying to stab an elephant to death with a thumbtack....

later

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5273558@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Jesse,

We have been using that method as well. It is manageable but you can end
with over 100 alignments in your project which is a bit of a pain. The
bottom line is the LDT HEC tool is basically useless because of the way it
was designed. Hopefully the stuff being developed for C3D will bridge the
gap. For now it looks like we are stuck with a tedious job to get there no
matter what we do.

Thanks for the suggestion.

"jd-drafter" wrote in message
news:5273515@discussion.autodesk.com...
hey there... you two...

in the past i have had to end up defining the cross sections as actual
alignments- and manipulate the data as such-

specifically for the angled sections that are a part of the post... not
pretty but accurate... using the vert/alignment editor's report functions to
export the cros section/alignment data is key... and yes it does leave some
cleanup to do...

wading in a sea of imperfection does help us accomodate certain things at
times... 8^)

jjd


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272765@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. 😉

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? 😉

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.

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