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HEC-RAS Import & Export

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08-17-2006 04:01 PM
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
*Don Reichle
Message 2 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 05:07 PM in reply to: *neilw
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. ;-)

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"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
*neilw
Message 3 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 05:45 PM in reply to: *neilw
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. ;-)

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
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"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
*Don Reichle
Message 4 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 06:20 PM in reply to: *neilw
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. ;-)

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? ;-)

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
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"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. ;-)

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
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2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
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nzeeben
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Message 5 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 08:52 PM in reply to: *neilw
It isnt perhaps exactly the answer you are looking for Neil, but I have seen
you in the c3d groups. We are beta testing a tool that exports direct to
hec ras and brings in the resulting analysis. Assuming you are the same
neil from over there.

http://www.civil3d.com/2006/08/ee-ras-tools-beta-2.html


--
Nick Zeeben
www.eng-eff.com
C3D 2007 SP1a
XP Tablet and Pro
"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
*neilw
Message 6 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 09:29 PM in reply to: *neilw
I'll wait and see what else comes along in the way of replies. Ultimately we
may end up having to use ArcGIS to be the "middle man" between CAD and
HEC-RAS.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272661@discussion.autodesk.com...
I didn't yet have any of those Neil, but I know that they await. ;-)

Not near enough to the Verde River in the Lowlands around our area for the
current set of Projects. The "trial" streams haven't had any hair-pin turns
in them to produce those V-type sections for HEC-RAS to get agita over.

Notice I said "yet" in the primary sentence? ;-)

I've noticed that there are a few "washes" along 260, where this condition
looks like a possibility also.

Time will tell.

Maybe since our topography is more conducive towards "narrow" channels, they
may not be as prevalent. We can then use less of a Left/Right dimension to
define the channel?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop :-) !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272635@discussion.autodesk.com...
How did you handle "bent" cross sections Don?

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5272567@discussion.autodesk.com...
Neil I did this recently with the Hydrology>HEC2 Output>HEC2 Multiple and
got what I needed in HEC-RAS.

The only thing I was reminded of is that H-R deals in the "opposite"
direction for Flow than I'm used to thinking about it - downstream to
upstream.

If I've still got it "incorrect" I'm willing to be wrong - as necessary. ;-)

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
----------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop :-) !!

LDT/CD-2K4
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 3800+ 2.01GHz
XP-Pro 32bit SP2
2GB RAM
Dual WD800JD Hard Drives - 149GB Nvidia Stripe
Nvidia Quadro FX 1300 128MB
Dual ViewSonic 19-inch VA902b monitors

"The only Constant is Change".


"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
*neilw
Message 7 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 09:31 PM in reply to: *neilw
Hi Nick. I am the same Neil from C3D, although not a 3D user as yet. Your
tools should fill a much needed gap in the ADESK offerings. We'll keep an
eye on your development as we move toward C3D.

wrote in message news:5272756@discussion.autodesk.com...
It isnt perhaps exactly the answer you are looking for Neil, but I have seen
you in the c3d groups. We are beta testing a tool that exports direct to
hec ras and brings in the resulting analysis. Assuming you are the same
neil from over there.

http://www.civil3d.com/2006/08/ee-ras-tools-beta-2.html


--
Nick Zeeben
www.eng-eff.com
C3D 2007 SP1a
XP Tablet and Pro
"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
*Dana Breig Probert
Message 8 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-17-2006 11:17 PM in reply to: *neilw
even if you stay in the LDT zone, it would be really easy to use EE's HEC
RAS tools in C3D instead of dealing with ArcGIS

you could just landxml your surface and stream CL alignment over, then
copyclip your plines that represent your sections. you wouldn't have to
know much else.

let me know if i can help. I beta tested EE's program and I found it to be
pretty great compared to how I was doing it before. I'd like to hear what
other people have to say.

Dana

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
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*Dana Breig Probert
Message 9 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-18-2006 12:45 AM in reply to: *neilw
this is the main issue. we have rivers that require sections perp to
contours- and often they have 10 or so kinks per section.

The EE program handles as many kinks as you want- see my other post.

--
Dana Breig Probert
http://civil3drocks.blogspot.com/
CADapult Ltd
Empowering Design With Innovative Solutions
www.cadapult.net
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*steltman software
Message 10 of 24 (1,861 Views)

Re: HEC-RAS Import & Export

08-18-2006 06:24 AM in reply to: *neilw
River Tools is a set of tools that:
a.. create alignments from lines automatically
a.. Create river channel sections along alignments from surface or points
and plot with labels at the breaks
a.. Create geo refrenced sections from alignment and profiles or sections
including cut lines, reach lengths and bank stations
a.. Draw River Banks ; Boundaries, Channel CL and Sections from HEC-RAS
.sdf file

View River Tools AVi
http://www.rsteltman.com/content/downloads/hecras1.avi

River Tools is part of the Road Tools suite of routine that enhances LDD and
Civil 3D for Civil Engineers and Surveyors. Download the FREE 30 day fully
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"neilw" wrote in message
news:5272519@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can anyone provide sources/advice on how to import and export cross section
and analysis data between LDT/CIVIL Design 2004 and HEC-RAS?

The HEC-2 routines in Civil Design do not allow for bends in the cross
section sample lines. I have been contemplating projecting polylines to the
DTM to create 3D polylines and then using Map to create report queries of
the polylines which could be imported into a spreadsheet and edited to meet
the data input format requirements of HEC-RAS, but this is a lot of work
considering people are doing this regularly. There must be a simpler way.
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