Foul language & cross section problems

[Warren McCrory]

I've been working on a widening & resurfacing job & trying to get my edge of pavements & edge of shoulders alignments because of guardrail sections & turnlanes. Well this has turned in to the biggest "chinese fire drill" that you have ever seen. Not only could I not get it to work right, now regardless of what template I use it ignores the pavement corss slope & superelevation. I have tried re-booting & even getting into an entirely different project with the same results? All of these templates worked perfectly prior to trying this little experiment.

I am realy hoping you guys will have some helpful suggestions as I really don't want to have to go therough the pain of re-installing every thing.

Thanks

Warren

[Anonymous]

Sorry Warren, I've read your post a few times but cant figure out what your
question is?

...."& trying to get my edge of pavements & edge of shoulders alignments
because of guardrail sections & turnlanes." ? are you trying to "get"
transition alignments?


Joe


wrote in message news:5424894@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been working on a widening & resurfacing job & trying to get my edge of
pavements & edge of shoulders alignments because of guardrail sections &
turnlanes. Well this has turned in to the biggest "chinese fire drill" that
you have ever seen. Not only could I not get it to work right, now
regardless of what template I use it ignores the pavement corss slope &
superelevation. I have tried re-booting & even getting into an entirely
different project with the same results? All of these templates worked
perfectly prior to trying this little experiment.

I am realy hoping you guys will have some helpful suggestions as I really
don't want to have to go therough the pain of re-installing every thing.

Thanks

Warren

[Warren McCrory]

That's because I was still to ticked off when I wrote it & apparently could form complete thoughts.

I have defined alignments for my shoulders & eop's to control my template & defined my transition points in my template. After I attached them to the template & processed them I saw that what I got was a miserable failure. I played with it a while & then decided to just run the regular template as a check only to see that it was not applying correctly. The roadway was dead straight (flat) from eop to eop & ignored my superelevation parameters entirely. I tried another template from a different project with the same results. THe odd this is that these worked beautifully a couple of weeks ago when I was working out the vertical (I hate RRR jobs!) but that was before I had tried attaching the alignments. I tried re-booting & even getting in to another project entirely only to have the same effect. As a bonus though, that other project now also seems to have the same affliction. Thankfully that project is one that we were through with & I can restore it with little problem.

I was hoping to avoid the dreaded/timeconsuming re-install & was hoping ya'll might have some advice.

Thanks

LDD2006 SP1
XP pro

[Anonymous]

When you say it looked ... "got was a miserable failure" ? are you getting
scramble eggs? template may have been drawn in the wrong order

I do not think it is an install software issue. We have to retrace the
steps.

1. Are transition points & attachments in correct order?
2. after modifying transitions you "MUST" reattach to transition point to
see the effects ( profiles too.)
3. Is the "TOP" surface defined? I've slipped on that before and spent days
trying to figure it out.
4. Did SE get turned off?


Joe



wrote in message news:5425137@discussion.autodesk.com...
That's because I was still to ticked off when I wrote it & apparently could
form complete thoughts.

I have defined alignments for my shoulders & eop's to control my template &
defined my transition points in my template. After I attached them to the
template & processed them I saw that what I got was a miserable failure. I
played with it a while & then decided to just run the regular template as a
check only to see that it was not applying correctly. The roadway was dead
straight (flat) from eop to eop & ignored my superelevation parameters
entirely. I tried another template from a different project with the same
results. THe odd this is that these worked beautifully a couple of weeks ago
when I was working out the vertical (I hate RRR jobs!) but that was before I
had tried attaching the alignments. I tried re-booting & even getting in to
another project entirely only to have the same effect. As a bonus though,
that other project now also seems to have the same affliction. Thankfully
that project is one that we were through with & I can restore it with little
problem.

I was hoping to avoid the dreaded/timeconsuming re-install & was hoping
ya'll might have some advice.

Thanks

LDD2006 SP1
XP pro

[Warren McCrory]

Unfortunately I think I had all of these bases covered, I didn't attach the alignments to the transition points until the very last. As I stated earlier, this/these templates worked perfectly prior to this so I am assuming that ther wasn't a problem (I know your pain with defining the SE & TOP).

So far as near as I can tell, it appears that something got corrupted in either the progam or possibly the align file. I went ahead with the re-install (ouch) & tried borrowing info from another project & roughly re-created the borrowed project & everything worked fine, even with one of the templates from the problem project. Tried again in the problem project with the same results. Now I am re-constructing the align profile, x-secs & everything else. I'm not sure if I am going to give transition alignments another try again on this project.

7+ mile project where you are already behind schedule are not good guinea pigs for trying stuff............

[Anonymous]

Warren it sounds to me like you might not have established the
Superelevation in the Template's SrfCon portion of Edit Template yet?

Once you've got that piece properly covered, you can then use Cross
Sections>Design Control>Superelevation Parameters to get the data configured
properly for your Alignment's needs. Make sure you check the Save button
inside this Dialog Box, then when you click OK, it will take you to adding
the necessary Extg Ground Sections for your Supering this Alignment. Make
sure you check the item that deals with adding these Extg Ground X-Sections
to the ones you've already cut through your EG Surface.

And besides establishing the Template's Transition Points, you also need
Transition Alignments to go along with the Points. Else there's nothing to
control the proper widening/narrowing for this Alignment you're attempting
to get back under "control".

All the duck's must be in a row, for this procedure to work. I went through
the same reminder's as I've shared with you just last week, after a two year
hiatus from Superelevations. 😉

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
A reminder taken from Graphics Solution Providers' Calendar page
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!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

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"The only Constant is Change".


wrote in message news:5425902@discussion.autodesk.com...
Unfortunately I think I had all of these bases covered, I didn't attach the
alignments to the transition points until the very last. As I stated
earlier, this/these templates worked perfectly prior to this so I am
assuming that ther wasn't a problem (I know your pain with defining the SE &
TOP).

So far as near as I can tell, it appears that something got corrupted in
either the progam or possibly the align file. I went ahead with the
re-install (ouch) & tried borrowing info from another project & roughly
re-created the borrowed project & everything worked fine, even with one of
the templates from the problem project. Tried again in the problem project
with the same results. Now I am re-constructing the align profile, x-secs &
everything else. I'm not sure if I am going to give transition alignments
another try again on this project.

7+ mile project where you are already behind schedule are not good guinea
pigs for trying stuff............

[Warren McCrory]

Well I have absolutley NO idea why adding the extra sections worked but THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had already defined my super while editing the template (why the hay is this a seperat step?) so I wasn't very optomistic but I was grasping at straws after re-creating thet whole shooting match (alignment/vertical/template/x-secs/super elevation parameters/everything) & still having the same problems.

You Are The Man!!!

MY IT Dept. thanks you, otherwise they might have to have replaced a destroyed computer ;')>

[Anonymous]

My recent experiences lead me to perform much the same scenario Warren.

Sans the contemplation of the "demo-derby". 😉

Glad to have been of service.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
A reminder taken from Graphics Solution Providers' Calendar page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

CivilSeries-2K4
Intel Xeon 3.2GHz 2GB RAM
XPPro 32bit SP2
Nvidia Quadro NVS 285 256MB

"The only Constant is Change".


wrote in message news:5426530@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well I have absolutley NO idea why adding the extra sections worked but
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had already defined my super while editing the template (why the hay is
this a seperat step?) so I wasn't very optomistic but I was grasping at
straws after re-creating thet whole shooting match
(alignment/vertical/template/x-secs/super elevation parameters/everything) &
still having the same problems.

You Are The Man!!!

MY IT Dept. thanks you, otherwise they might have to have replaced a
destroyed computer ;')>

[Warren McCrory]

Sorry to hear that you got bit with the same affliction but atleast you were perusing the newsgroupl at the right to bail me out. Any one have any word about whether there are any weird "connections/links" like this in C3D?

I'll give using transitions in my templates a try again later in a smaller project ;')>

Thanks again.

Warren