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GilesPhillips
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Own drag-n-drop content?

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11-04-2009 01:38 AM
After the initial installation headache, first impressions are good.. well done so far :-)

Is there an easy way to create my own content for the symbol libraries?

G
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-04-2009 08:56 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
Hi Giles,

Glad you are enjoying Project Cooper. Unfortunately, there is currently no way to create or add custom symbols to your symbols library, but we are planning to add more symbols in the near future. What type of symbols are you looking for?

Just out of curiosity, what kind of drawings are you working on with Project Cooper?

Thanks,
Yan
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-04-2009 09:22 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
That's a real shame.

My company works in the entertainment industry and there were a few areas I'd hoped to use this software:

Layout of production lighting in a theatre (spotlights, floods, pyro effects etc)
Design of equiment rack layouts (amplifiers, signal processing etc)
Layout of production facilities in a venue (speakers, staging, curtain tracks)
Layout of large site production equipment (generators, crowd control, tents & temporary structures)

These are all areas where we have a stock of hire equipment that we could have pre-drawn symbols for that our sales and technical design staff could then drop onto a page pretty much in front of the client.

We've tried this with Design review, but the precision and scaling is just to clunky and imprecise..

G
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crounsl
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-04-2009 10:49 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
Glad to see that you were able to install. There is a workaround for custom symbol libraries - you could create a drawing with all of your symbols in it and just open that and copy and paste between drawings, but we all know that is not an elegant solution!

A few follow up questions:

For the type of work that you do, are the sheet sizes that we offer sufficient? Do you mostly print stuff out on a desktop printer?

And it sounds like the ability to create custom symbols is important to you, but also to be useful that you must be able to share these symbol libraries with others. Is this proprietary content that you would only want to share with your team or would you be willing to also share them with the world at large?

Lastly, do you think that you would want to share these files with people who use AutoCAD or other higher-end DWG based applications?

Again, glad that you got it and gave it a try!


Lisa Crounse
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-05-2009 12:30 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
> {quote:title=crounsl wrote:}{quote}
> Glad to see that you were able to install. There is a workaround for custom symbol libraries - you could create a drawing with all of your symbols in it and just open that and copy and paste between drawings, but we all know that is not an elegant solution!
>

You're right, it's not elegant, but it may be enough to convince my superiors that further road-testing is required..

> A few follow up questions:
>
> For the type of work that you do, are the sheet sizes that we offer sufficient? Do you mostly print stuff out on a desktop printer?

On site, favourite paper format is A3 as it's easily portable and not such a pain in the wind & rain, I think 'large format' (A2 ...A0) is good as an option, but those sizes would probably only be used on schematics. I suppose it's a case of drawing a distiction between the complexity of a drawing, and the skill required to create it - our schematics are occasionally complex, but could be drawn in Excel (and occasionally are!)

> And it sounds like the ability to create custom symbols is important to you, but also to be useful that you must be able to share these symbol libraries with others. Is this proprietary content that you would only want to share with your team or would you be willing to also share them with the world at large?

We'd love an opportunity to package up some of our popular products (along with easy order-codes) and distribute them on a CD or USB key at trade fairs and such - everybody loves free stuff- and free stuff that's useful is often fought over - especially if it was supported by a free (or cheap) easy-to-use platform with good support and upgrade path..

It wouldn't be much of an aid to our internal productivity, but it would be an excellent marketing tool, and possibly an avenue to bigger things, not to mention a good lever to help promote the software.

> Lastly, do you think that you would want to share these files with people who use AutoCAD or other higher-end DWG based applications?

Again the ability to share content would make for a good marketing tool, regardless of the format. However having similar content available for our own in house AutoCAD users would definitely be of benefit - however we do have a fairly extensive library already, though some of the contents we'd prefer to excercise a little more control over (manufacturing details of our internal products, for example).

I would imagine in a perfect world, a site plan concept would be sketched out by our customer-facing staff, and on approval sent to the design team to verify and turn into a 'real' drawing for co-ordination, approval and manufacture - thus the portability of the content would be vital in that direction.

> Again, glad that you got it and gave it a try!

Not a problem, if this input helps develop a product that's better for us, then everybody wins..

Giles
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-28-2009 11:22 PM in reply to: GilesPhillips
The blocks appear to be simple ACAD dynamic blocks. Is this the case? That's how they seem to behave and how they continue to work in ACAD. I think the ability to create custom block libraries is important. Why not enable some sort of drag 'n drop like ACAD palettes creation?
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-30-2009 01:00 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
Yep.

To chip in again, everyone at my company I've shown this software to has expressed interest, yet disappointment that it 'only caters for architects'

I've had very little luck convincing people to try copying from one 'source' drawing to their work, though part of the problem is getting an autocad dwg into a state that project cooper will accept.

Any further thoughts on opening up project cooper for custom content?

G
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-30-2009 08:51 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
Hi Gilles,

I can't make any promises but we are definitely considering adding some kind of support for creating and saving custom symbols. It sounds like that would be a 'must have' for you and your co-workers.

What if we made if possible to easily import blocks that were created in AutoCAD or AutoCAD LT and add it to your Symbols Library in Cooper. Would that be enough?

Thanks,
Yan
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-30-2009 08:58 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
Hi Nick,

Great to see you trying out Project Cooper! You are correct - the symbols in Project Cooper are based on ACAD dynamic blocks. Do you think that if would be enough if we allowed you to import your AutoCAD blocks and turn them into Cooper symbols or do you think it's necessary that you can create your own custom symbols directly in Cooper?

If you don't mind me asking - how do you envision Project Cooper being used in your office?

Thanks,
Yan
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Re: Own drag-n-drop content?

11-30-2009 08:59 AM in reply to: GilesPhillips
Hi Yan,

I appreciate promises are hard to make, however the custom aspect of this project is our own must-have (given we're not architects!)

Easy importing of existing AutoCAD block references would be a great feature, though I'd ask that once imported, it could easily be transferred to other installation.

That way I could create the imported content from our libraries (say with certain layer switched off) and distribute it. Rather than letting other users do it, perhaps slightly differently, and ending up with a somewhat chaotic set of non-standards.

I could probably supply some sample files if you want some non-architectural data to play with..

Giles
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