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Would like to see more in the parts database and links to other manufacturers. Comunication to manufacturers is in need of improvment on both Autodesk and the manufacturers. If you use a manufacturer and you don't see them in the list when installing. Let them know about AutoCAD Electrical and tell them to talk to Autodesk about getting in the database.
From previous postings from Autodesk employees Autodesk expects component manufactures to take the entire burden and give Autodesk a fully functional parts list with all associated data for little or no return for then
Needless to say who would take that deal?
So that’s basically why ACADE is so patchy and inconsistent and wrong when it comes to parts data
Eplan went a different route with their live server because obviously if you download any part details as part of your T's& C's your information is passed over to the parts manufactures hence potential sales leads
So there is a measurable return for their efforts
And that’s the whole game here
Still not consulting
Havent given up hope on making ACADE work as good as the market leaders
If a database was easy to control then everyone would be doing it. Databases even more important content is a tough topic to cover because Manufacturers are constantly discontinuing and creating new products. Autodesk needs to be involved with more manufacturers in a centralized location and interface parts as well as block with the Electrical software. If a manufacturer wants to improve their market share in the world of manufacturing then they should be taking the first step in getting there name in the software. That's called marketing. This does not cost them anything to be in the software and it exposes them to potential new customers. There is always a cost up front but once your in the cost goes way down. Think about the bigger picture and not the initial burden and things step into place. If change never cost anyone anything then everyone would be doing it. Change and adaptivity always cost money.
the problem with acade in europe is its lack of reputation which is a contributing factor to manafactures dis-intrested in getting involved with autodesk
autodesk have fundementally got it wrong with bundling up parts data with the install but wont admit it
eplan /wscad/see electrical which are 3 of the big players here in europe use the same method
a server link with live data being managed by the ecad companies they see the benefit of this type of relationship but autodesk in its dogma want to reinvent the wheel again and its hurting them
all they have to do is just sort it out but it seems rather than follow what has proven to be a sucessfully implemeation by its competitors it wants to stay in catch up mode
Havent had my lobotomy yet so i cant become a consultant
have high hopes that within the next few yers acasd will only be 10 years behind the competion
I may have been a bit vague on how the whole system works
What happens in the normal scheme of things you would use the parts database inside your application
But if you don’t have a particular part then you link to the server you can either do the following
1) Navigate to the component you want and download that single component
2) Download a complete range of supplier’s components
3) Build up a shopping cart of picked items from various ranges and suppliers
These then download and become part of your parts database
So the middle of nowhere doesn’t apply here
And you have the added advantage of new parts data being added in a single location
The two that I use on a regular basis puts on the main page what’s been added since i last logged in
the fundamental issue is all ACADE's competitors have gone down this road and their salesmen can quite rightly point out that ACADE is the only major product not doing this
The reasons behind this are varied and can be basically broken down into the following
1) Autodesk didn’t come up with the idea so it can’t be any good (anybody remembers bill gates comment that the internet won’t be of any use?)
2) Autodesk has the wrong attitude trying to engage with the component supplies
3) The component supplies see no benefit in getting involved with ACADE
It’s interesting to point out that Rockwell’s ABECAD which was the only product that directley Acade what’s happing with that nowadays?
Finally and this tells you quite a lot
Can you find a website from a component supplier that has fully downloadable and functioning Acade templates symbols and parts data?
I cant at present
but just Google "Eplan parts data" and see how many hits you get
Being a consultant is giving reasons why you cant do something
This months updates on the eplan parts server need i say anymore ? EPLAN Data Portal: On the fast lane
As of November 19th, there have been extensive changes to the EPLAN Data Portal. In addition to revised and updated data, we are very pleased to announce 15 new partners:
Audiowell Electronics (Guangdong) Co., Ltd.: data sets with frequency proximity sensors
Balluff GmbH: data sets with switches, sensors and PLC Units
DBK David+Baader GmbH: data sets with fan heaters
Klaus Faber AG: data sets with communication cables
LOVATO ELECTRIC S.p.A.: data sets with circuit breakers and switches
Metal Work S.p.A.: data sets with valves for the Metal Work configurator
MultiDimension Technology Co.,Ltd.: data sets with sensors
Panasonic Electric Works: data sets with PLC units
PR electronics A/S: data sets with transmitters and sensors
Chengdu Reliance Electric Co.Ltd.: data sets with universal terminal blocks
K. A. Schmersal GmbH & Co. KG: data sets with safety switches and safety relays
Schmitz Kabel GmbH: data sets with motor and control cables
Tebian Electricity Apparatus Stock Co., Ltd.: data sets with motor and control cables
Vacon OY: data sets with transmitters
WayCon Positionsmesstechnik GmbH: data sets with draw wire sensors
Updates and new data
Allen Bradley: 140 new and 799 updated datasets include load switches, miniature circuit breaker
ABB: 75 new datasets include circuit breaker
EKF: 1.469 new datasets include measurement devices and cabinet accessories
Endress+Hauser: 62 new datasets include sensors for E+H configurator
Emerson: 13 new and 6.661 updated datasets include line reactors and filters
Festo: 2.200 new and 20.000 updated datasets include electrical cylinders and valves
Flowserve Gestra: 78 updated datasets include level switches and measurement devices
ifm: 649 new datasets include sensors and light barriers
LAPP: 595 new and 2.225 updated datasets include cable of Oelflex Flat and VFD series
Licatec: 90 updated datasets include control panel trunking
Lumberg: 268 new datasets include digital IP devices and connectors
Mencom: 54 new datasets include predefined control cables
Molex: 377 new datasets include plug connectors
Murrplastik: 174 new datasets include device plates and labels
OEZ: 702 new datasets include signal devices, coils and measurement devices
Omron: 311 new and 3.770 updated datasets include measurement devices, sensors and coils
Phoenix Contact: 223 updated datasets include terminals and digital I/O modules
Promet: 19 new and 71 updated datasets include H-profile rails and mounting materials
RITTAL: 294 new and 470 updated datasets include cooling devices, cabinets and mounting materials
SICK: 146 new datasets of barcode scanner
Siemens: 1.992 new datasets include power and control units of SINAMICS and SINUMERIK
Sigmatek: 14 new datasets include analog and digital PLC devices
STEGO: 48 new datasets include filter fans
Kabelschlepp: 662 updated datasets include PVC-Power-Hiflex-Cable for cable carriers
Weidmüller: 4.865 new and 6.656 updated datasets include mounting rails, relays and Surge protection
In AutoCAD Electrical, too free filling of these components base. This advantage on the one hand and, on the other hand has a drawback. As a result, anyone can create their own database, which is not clearly defined such as placing such a parameter as catalog part number (this parameter is ignored and electromechanical assembly in the Inventor, which is why you can not get it a full specification. It is planned to data from the assembly transfer to AutoCAD Electrical, but in the 2016 version this is not possible and how to deal with the details of such a standard library of Inventor -. bolts, nuts, etc., if I add them to the electromechanical assembly)?. And much more...
As a result,equipment manufacturersare simply unable toprovideanythingto add to theAutoCAD Electricaldatabase.Nonormaltoolto add a newcomponentorgroup of componentsto an existing databasetoa third partymanufacturer.
