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John
Posts: 184
Registered: ‎02-03-2005
Message 1 of 8 (72 Views)

Wrong Xref contact symbol

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06-17-2005 01:41 AM
When i place an extra contact on a parent coil or contact I get a JIC style contact X-ref graphic and not the IEC style - even though I am using IEC components.

Where does ACE 2005 store these X-ref contact graphics and how can I get it to load the correct type?

See attached picture.

John
*Pat Murnen \(Autodesk\)
Message 2 of 8 (72 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

06-17-2005 03:40 AM in reply to: John
John, this graphic is controlled by a project IEC tagging setting. In 2005
go to Project -> New/Existing -> Miscellaneous Settins. In the top section,
select the check box for Combined Tagging (IEC style). This will affect more
than the cross-reference graphic style. It directs AcadE to use IEC tagging
which takes into account the Installation and Location codes on a component
when calculating the component's Tag.

You can also edit the text for a termporary change until the component is
cross-referenced again. The graphics are controlled by a special text font.
In this font the following letters will give you IEC style graphics (note
these are case sensitive) - O = NO, X = NC, N = NO part of FormC, W = NC
part of FormC.

Hope this helps,
Pat Murnen
(Autodesk)

wrote in message news:4877780@discussion.autodesk.com...
When i place an extra contact on a parent coil or contact I get a JIC style
contact X-ref graphic and not the IEC style - even though I am using IEC
components.

Where does ACE 2005 store these X-ref contact graphics and how can I get it
to load the correct type?

See attached picture.

John
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John
Posts: 184
Registered: ‎02-03-2005
Message 3 of 8 (71 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

06-17-2005 03:59 AM in reply to: John
Thanks for that.

Editing the text works.

I think I de-selected the "Combined Tagging (IEC style)" because it added dashes before the Tag.

I notice that the set-up dialog for IEC tagging has a number of options such as "Suppress Installation/Location Prefix". Is it possible to get the correct X-ref symbol but suppress the rest of the IEC stuff?

John
*Pat Murnen \(Autodesk\)
Message 4 of 8 (71 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

06-17-2005 04:32 AM in reply to: John
John, I believe if you check on the Combined Tagging option and then go into
the Setup and uncheck all the boxes in the sub-dialog you shouldn't get any
dashes as a prefix. As far as tagging it will simply look at the Tag,
Installation, Location values as combined to make a unique tag. But each one
will be kept as separate values on the component with no special IEC
formatting. Let me know if this doesn't work and I will look further.

Pat Murnen
(Autodesk)

wrote in message news:4877850@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for that.

Editing the text works.

I think I de-selected the "Combined Tagging (IEC style)" because it added
dashes before the Tag.

I notice that the set-up dialog for IEC tagging has a number of options such
as "Suppress Installation/Location Prefix". Is it possible to get the
correct X-ref symbol but suppress the rest of the IEC stuff?

John
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OMyhill
Posts: 4
Registered: ‎07-31-2006
Message 5 of 8 (71 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

07-31-2006 09:21 PM in reply to: John
Gday,
On the same note, the standards for my clients is that rather than having a graphic for each contact, the contacts are listed inside brackets, with NC contact references underlined, and pins not shown... ie:
[H4, %%UG7%%U, S12]
where the referencing is X-Y grid style, and %%U is the usual ACAD code for underlining. Is there anywhere that I can hack into the files which do the code for this, and change it all about. The whole graphic symbol thing just clutters the drawings too much in my industry, but the references are essential.

For reference I am using ACADE 2006 with Australian Standard symbol libraries (IEC based)

Cheers, Owen
*Pat Murnen \(Autodesk\)
Message 6 of 8 (71 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

08-01-2006 05:15 AM in reply to: John
Owen,

I can't think of an easy way to get the brackets around the entire text
value as you show. If you define your cross-reference format as [%N] then
you would get brackets around each reference, [H4,[G7], [S12]. Everything
else you describe is done with the Text style cross-referencing rather than
the graphic style. If you want all the references on one attribute instead
of separate NO and NC references, you need to have just one XREF attribute
on the parent symbol rather than 2 separate attributes, XREFNO and XREFNC.

If you are using AcadE 2007, the Text style cross-referencing is selected
under Drawing Properties, Cross-Referencing tab.

Pat Murnen

wrote in message news:5254256@discussion.autodesk.com...
Gday,
On the same note, the standards for my clients is that rather than having a
graphic for each contact, the contacts are listed inside brackets, with NC
contact references underlined, and pins not shown... ie:
[H4, %%UG7%%U, S12]
where the referencing is X-Y grid style, and %%U is the usual ACAD code for
underlining. Is there anywhere that I can hack into the files which do the
code for this, and change it all about. The whole graphic symbol thing just
clutters the drawings too much in my industry, but the references are
essential.

For reference I am using ACADE 2006 with Australian Standard symbol
libraries (IEC based)

Cheers, Owen
Member
OMyhill
Posts: 4
Registered: ‎07-31-2006
Message 7 of 8 (71 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

08-01-2006 02:22 PM in reply to: John
Pat,
The brackets around the whole thing is less of a concern.

On a slightly different note, but similar topic, the multipole circuit breakers seem to reference themselves (not sure about contacts just yet). Is there a different way of inserting them or something which I should be doing such that only the primary contact/breaker is referenced??

Thanks for your help so far.

Cheers, Owen
*Pat Murnen \(Autodesk\)
Message 8 of 8 (72 Views)

Re: Wrong Xref contact symbol

08-01-2006 02:46 PM in reply to: John
Normally, on a multi-pole they are linked together with a dashed link line
and the references to the breakers that make up the multipole aren't seen
although in a report they would show up. You can change the value of the
CONTACT attribute to "NULL" then it will be ignored in any cross-reference
annotation. If your rung spacing is always the same so there is no reason to
generate a multipole on the fly you can also create your own symbol to use.
The AcadE default multipole symbols are generated on the fly using the
single pole symbols to accomodate different rung spacing but they are still
separate symbols.

Pat Murnen

wrote in message news:5255469@discussion.autodesk.com...
Pat,
The brackets around the whole thing is less of a concern.

On a slightly different note, but similar topic, the multipole circuit
breakers seem to reference themselves (not sure about contacts just yet).
Is there a different way of inserting them or something which I should be
doing such that only the primary contact/breaker is referenced??

Thanks for your help so far.

Cheers, Owen
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