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Sheet/Drawing? Section/Sub Section?

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Message 1 of 14
BigBoreBri
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Sheet/Drawing? Section/Sub Section?

Does anyone have a good explanation for the difference between a sheet (%S) and drawing (%D)? I have never used drawing values yet and a little bemused to what they are used for?


Also i have a set of drawings i create for customers but i also have drawings for production, e.g. i would give a customer a panel layout but give the shop floor duplicate copies with dimensions, cut-outs, mounting locations etc. - would the section/sub section be the best way to do this?

e.g. (no section = customer copy), sections A, B, C, D etc are all internal documents?

I assume i can ignore sub/section when performing reports etc?


I appreciate any suggestions...
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Message 2 of 14
Aaron.Warnke
in reply to: BigBoreBri

Hello,

I'm definitely not an AutoCAD Electrical specialist or anything, but perhaps I can help (and someone else can correct me:) ). %S is intended to be used as the sheet number and %D is for the drawing number. The variables can be used (or not) for reports, titleblocks, tags etc. if you use page/line numbering for your components you probably want to populate that value in your drawing properties for each page. I don't use %D at all because my projects have a single drawing number per project rather than per page. So I use a project description for the whole project and reflect that value in my title blocks (along with revision,name, approvals etc).

Section and subsection are are variables too that can be used in reports,titleblocks and more. I haven't found a good use for them (yet) myself. If I ran reports on part of my project I could see how they would have value though.

Aaron
Message 3 of 14
BigBoreBri
in reply to: BigBoreBri

Sorry i am looking for a more "real - world" explanation - i understand they are variables but like you say we too use %S values not %D - so why have %D are whats its use if you already have a .dwg drawing number etc.
Message 4 of 14
Aaron.Warnke
in reply to: BigBoreBri

%D can be used to have multiple drawing numbers in one project. Perhaps you may show a whole system with multiple enclosures and you want each enclosure to be a different drawing number. To my knowledge you can have duplicate page numbers in a project so all could start at page "1". Personally I don't have any use for it, but I am certain someone does.
Message 5 of 14

%D could be mapped to fill in an attribute on the title block that displays the document number. I don't use %D. If my entire project is one document number I use one of the Project Line Labels for document number and map it to the title block. If you have the need for a separate document number for schematic, panel layout, wire list, BOM, etc. there is another way to handle that. Create a master project that points to all drawings for design and editing purposes. Then create a separate project for the drawings that make up the schematic, a separate project for the panel layout drawings, and etc. for the wire list, BOM, etc. Use these projects when performing the title block update for each group. Each group will have a separate project.wdp file and thus separate Project Line Labels, allowing each group of drawings to have its own description, page numbering, document number, etc.

The Section and Sub-section fields are optional but cab be helpful when processing project-wide functions. Say you want to run a project-wide update and only affect the schematic pages. Assign all the schematic pages to a Section name of Schematic or SCH for short. Assign the panel layout drawings to Section Panel or PNL for short. Perhaps even assign the wire list and BOM to a section called Reports or RPT for short. When you run a project-wide function, instead of selecting all of the schematic pages using Shift or CTRL, just select by Section and choose Schematic or SCH. This moves only the drawings from the schematic section down into the Drawings to Process area.

Sub-section by optionally be used to further divide your project by function, such as Main Power, PLC CPU, PLC Inpits, PLC Outputs, Motors, Heaters, etc. So you may have a page in section SCH that is assigned to sub-section PLC Inputs. You could filter a report or project-wide function to only the Schematic/PLC Input drawings.

I hope this helps.


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Message 6 of 14
controlsgirl
in reply to: BigBoreBri

Doug, can the section values be populated by sectioning the drawings in a project in to seperate folders? I don't want to have to right click on each individual drawing, go to properties, and then manually type in a section for it. I want to divide my drawings into sections: 

  1.                                                                i.      Section A:  Cover Sheet and Index
  2.                                                              ii.      Section B:  Bill of Material, if required by customer to be included in drawing package.
  3.                                                             iii.      Section C:  Communication and Cable Layouts
  4.                                                            iv.      Section E:  Electrical magnetics wiring 480VAC, 220VAC, 120VAC and 24VDC power wiring.
  5.                                                              v.      Section F:  Input and Output Wiring
  6.                                                            vi.      Section M:  Specialty Equipment Drawings
  7.                                                           vii.      Section P:  Pneumatics Design
  8.                                                         viii.      Section X:  Enclosure and Sub Plate Layouts
  9.                                                            ix.      Section Y:  Cylinder Switch layouts, if required
Message 7 of 14
jalger
in reply to: controlsgirl

Hi Controlsgirl,

 

You could do an excel export of the Drawing Settings, Then import the changes back in.

 

Excel-Export to Spreadsheet.png

 

 

 

Then you can assign all of the Section codes, Sheet numbers, etc. all at the same time.

 

I hope this helps,

 

James

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Message 8 of 14
Icemanau
in reply to: BigBoreBri

The company I work for builds HV switchgear and switchboards.

 

Our system uses the following format PPPPPP-DD-SS where P stands for the project Number,D for the dwg number and S for the sheet number within that dwg.

 

For example a switchboard with 8 HV CB's would have 1 project number and 12 drawing numbers with however many sheets are needed per dwg number.

 

Dwg 01 is our General Arrangement for the entire board, SLD and other project wide information.

Dwg 02 to Dwg 09 would be the 8 different panels in the board.

Dwg 10 would be the Bus Wiring between panels for trips/power supply and communication.

Dwg 11 would be metalwork dwgs for the cubicle doors only.

dwg 12 would be any other non standard metalwork like arc vent ducting.

 

Each dwg would have multiple sheets.

Dwg 01 would have

Sheet 01 as the GA

Sheet 02 is the foundation plan

Sheet 03 is the SLD

Sheet 04 is the project notes

 

Dwg 02 to 09 would have

Sheet 01 - AC wiring showing VT's, CT's, Protection Relay connections to CT/VT circuits.

Sheet 02 - DC wiring for thr protection and control relays, AC for cubicle heaters and any other ancillary wiring

Sheet 03 - Labels for the panel

Sheet 04 - Panel Bill of Materials

Depending on the complexity of the control and protection, additional schematic dwgs may be added and the sheet numbers adjusted as needed.

 

The other dwgs would be set up in a similar manner for their different functions.

 

Wer don't use the Section and Sub-section in our dwgs but I do use them in the Project manager to quickly identify the dwgs.

 

Regards Brad

 

 

 

 

>

Brad Coleman, Electrical Draftsman
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Message 9 of 14
userlevel6
in reply to: controlsgirl

I might be out of the loop having no ACAD-E for the last several years, but...

 

I used to do a little creative programming to automatically program the drawing settings.  The company I was working for used drawing names that represented specific sections of their machinery, so I wrote a bit of LISP to inject section, subsection, sheet#, and drawing# codes into the project file, based off of the file name, count of files with matching section codes derived from the file names.  Also did something similar to syncronize titleblock attributes and their matching project information.  (I'm not a big fan of manually touching every property with the mouse either.)  Maybe there's a better way built into the program now, but I recall that not doing this step with my enchancements was a big time-wasting error-prone exercise, that unfortunately was crucial to making some of the best features of ACAD-E work correctly.  (My code is attached, FWIW.  Not commented the best, but not too bad to be understood I think.)

Basically, all the information is there, but to pull it together efficently do some custom programming.  I'm in an IntelliCAD and ACAD-LT environment now, and with ICAD I still use a combination of vLISP, Excel, & sometimes command-line (DOS) & BATCH to automate things as much as possible.  I don't really miss project files that much anymore, the electrical drafting environment I'm in these days is greatly simplified & we still get it all done somehow!

 

WD_M-EDIT.scr:

(LOAD "PROJ_CODES_AID")
(LOAD "TITLE_CODES")
(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "SHEET" "" "" (SUBSTR (GETVAR "DWGNAME") (- (STRLEN (GETVAR "DWGNAME")) 5) 2))
(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "IEC_PROJ" "" "" (substr GBL_wd_prj (- (strlen GBL_WD_PRJ) 10) 7))
(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "IEC_INST" "" "" IEC_INST)
(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "IEC_LOC" "" "" IEC_LOC)
(IF (EQ SHEETDWGNAME NIL)(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "SHEETDWGNAME" "" "" IEC_LOC)(IF (EQ IEC_LOC SHEETDWGNAME)(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "SHEETDWGNAME" "" "" IEC_LOC)(COMMAND "-ATTEDIT" "N" "N" "WD_M" "SHEETDWGNAME" "" "" SHEETDWGNAME)))
TITLE_CODES
GRAPHSCR

Message 10 of 14
jalger
in reply to: BigBoreBri

Hi BigBoreBri,

 

I find a Picture often helps when explaining this concept.

 

Think of the red outline as the FULL dwg (after all of the sub sections have been put together).

All of the Sub sections are divided by the white line (this would be the end of that sheet and the start of another,)

So A-1, A-2, A-3, A-4 are all DWG D-XYZ123, But they take up 4 sheets instead of one sheet.

You can have multiple Drawings with sections in the same project that follow the same idea.

 

Section-Sheet-Drawing.png

 

 

 

Sections: A-1, A-2, A-3, A-4, B-1, B-2, B-3, B-4 ( the location for the puzzle pieces... Smiley Happy )

Sheets: 1 - 8  ( the order you want them to print)

Drawings: D-XYZ123 & D-XYZ124  (all of the A Sections are together and all of the B Sections are together)

 

I hope this helps,

 

James

James Alger
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Message 11 of 14
controlsgirl
in reply to: userlevel6

Thanks a lot for sharing. I'll check it out!


Thank You,

Tisha Lane
tisha.lane317@gmail.com
Cell Phone: (616) 828-2051
Message 12 of 14
controlsgirl
in reply to: userlevel6

Thanks for sharing your code!
Message 13 of 14
controlsgirl
in reply to: jalger

This is perfect. I've exported components in order to change descriptions in excel but never noticed the drawing settings at the bottom.
Message 14 of 14
userlevel6
in reply to: controlsgirl

Glad you like the concept. I'm remembering now, that I used this mostly for existing drawing sets. I would take a folder full of drawings, and run the WD_M-EDIT script project-wide. Hope it saves you some time too!

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