Problem with terminal jumpers

[crislem]

Hello,

I am trying to figure out a way to make my terminal strip and wire from/to report work ok.

I have a project with several drawings in it and I jumpered the terminals that have 24V and 24C wires going to them. The problem that I have is that in my terminal strip editorI noticed there are several terminals that look like this:

Panel TB1 24C terminal# 24C TB1 Panel

This means it's pretty much using a terminal for nothing, because it's connecting a 24C wire with a 24C wire that are both in my panel and they should both be on the same side of the terminal (even though I don't see why they would be there at all). As I said, I saw several terminals like this and I don't know what the problem is.

Another thing that I noticed in the terminal strip editor that I don't like is that even though these terminals have jumpers, it appears that there is a wire going in every terminal, wire that caries the 24C signal from terminal to terminal. Is there any way to correct this? To try and make it more clear, I am using 1492-J3 terminals and in the terminal strip editor it shows 2 wires on one side of the terminal and one on the other side (one of those two being the 24C)

The last question is in regards to the wire from/to report that is giving me the same thing as described above, a wire from 24C to 24C to 24C to 24C, etc. When I used the Edit jumper function I was thinking it was going to eliminate those wires from the report, otherwise I see no use for using those jumpers.

I hope I managed to explain my problem. Help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

The TSE in 2008 can't show jumpers at this stage... It is apparently going
to be added into the 2009 version.
If you want to show jumpers, you can either insert one of the tables instead
of the graphical layout or make and
insert your own graphical jumpers on the graphical insert.

As to the jumpers, Create a wire layer named jumpers. Put any jumper wires
in the schematic on this layer as
Electrical doesn't number this layer.

You also have to tell the terminals that they are jumpered. This is achieved
by right clicking near the jumper, going
to terminals and then selecting Edit jumper. Select the terminals you wish
to jumper together and hit enter.
The rest is just inputting or selecting the catalogue information.

Regards Brad

wrote in message news:5778180@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello,

I am trying to figure out a way to make my terminal strip and wire from/to
report work ok.

I have a project with several drawings in it and I jumpered the terminals
that have 24V and 24C wires going to them. The problem that I have is that
in my terminal strip editorI noticed there are several terminals that look
like this:

Panel TB1 24C terminal# 24C TB1 Panel

This means it's pretty much using a terminal for nothing, because it's
connecting a 24C wire with a 24C wire that are both in my panel and they
should both be on the same side of the terminal (even though I don't see why
they would be there at all). As I said, I saw several terminals like this
and I don't know what the problem is.

Another thing that I noticed in the terminal strip editor that I don't like
is that even though these terminals have jumpers, it appears that there is a
wire going in every terminal, wire that caries the 24C signal from terminal
to terminal. Is there any way to correct this? To try and make it more
clear, I am using 1492-J3 terminals and in the terminal strip editor it
shows 2 wires on one side of the terminal and one on the other side (one of
those two being the 24C)

The last question is in regards to the wire from/to report that is giving me
the same thing as described above, a wire from 24C to 24C to 24C to 24C,
etc. When I used the Edit jumper function I was thinking it was going to
eliminate those wires from the report, otherwise I see no use for using
those jumpers.

I hope I managed to explain my problem. Help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

[crislem]

Brad,

Thank you for the reply. I don't think I made myself fully understood with what I wanted to accomplish. I don't want to have jumpers shown phisically on my terminal strip, I don't necessarily need that. What I pretty much don't see is what that "Edit Jumper" function does, because it doesn't seem to be doing anything. 🙂

My problem is not in the Layout Preview tab of the terminal strip editor, it is in the Terminal strip tab.

I hope this clarification makes my questions more clear.

Thanks again for the reply.

[Anonymous]

AcadE 2008 does not support adding or modifying jumpers in Terminal Strip
Editor. The Edit Jumper command is used to jumper between 2 or more
schematic terminals. It assigns invisible intelligence to the terminals so
that when wire numbering is run it sees those terminals as jumpered. You can
also assign the jumper a catalog so it will show up in a Bill of Materials
report.

Pat Murnen

wrote in message news:5778407@discussion.autodesk.com...
Brad,

Thank you for the reply. I don't think I made myself fully understood with
what I wanted to accomplish. I don't want to have jumpers shown phisically
on my terminal strip, I don't necessarily need that. What I pretty much
don't see is what that "Edit Jumper" function does, because it doesn't seem
to be doing anything. 🙂

My problem is not in the Layout Preview tab of the terminal strip editor, it
is in the Terminal strip tab.

I hope this clarification makes my questions more clear.

Thanks again for the reply.

[crislem]

Pat,

Thank you for your post. I guess what I still can't see in AutoCAd when it comes to jumpers is that intelligence that you are talking about. When I run a wire from/to report and it sees a wire from terminal A to terminal B, AutoCAD should think "oh, I will not put a wire there because those two terminals are jumpered". That's what I was hoping to get when I used the jumpers, but it looks like that is not happening...

[Anonymous]

AutoCad Electrical will not stop you from actually wiring something but the
wire from/to report should recognize that the terminals are jumpered. You
should be able to temporarily "see" the jumpers if you use the Edit Jumper
command, select a temrinal and press S for Show when prompted on the command
line.

Pat Murnen


wrote in message news:5778741@discussion.autodesk.com...
Pat,

Thank you for your post. I guess what I still can't see in AutoCAd when it
comes to jumpers is that intelligence that you are talking about. When I run
a wire from/to report and it sees a wire from terminal A to terminal B,
AutoCAD should think "oh, I will not put a wire there because those two
terminals are jumpered". That's what I was hoping to get when I used the
jumpers, but it looks like that is not happening...

[crislem]

Hmm... The way I have it drawn is something like this

|
|---terminal1---component1
|---terminal2---component2
|---terminal3---component3
|
etc

where terminal1,2 and 3 are jumpered. I used what you mentioned (Show) and indeed it sees them all as being jumpered, but then why, doesn't the wire from/to report see them that way? I still get the connection between the terminals(it tells me blue_16AWG from terminal1 to terminal2, blue_16awg from terminal2 to terminal3).

Is there something that I might have done wrong?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Cristian

[Anonymous]

Well, it sounds like there is a jumper and a wire. Normally, if there is a
jumper you would either not draw a wire or put the wire on a layer with the
word JUMPER somewhere in the layer name.

Pat Murnen

wrote in message news:5778977@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hmm... The way I have it drawn is something like this

|
|---terminal1---component1
|---terminal2---component2
|---terminal3---component3
|
etc

where terminal1,2 and 3 are jumpered. I used what you mentioned (Show) and
indeed it sees them all as being jumpered, but then why, doesn't the wire
from/to report see them that way? I still get the connection between the
terminals(it tells me blue_16AWG from terminal1 to terminal2, blue_16awg
from terminal2 to terminal3).

Is there something that I might have done wrong?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Cristian

[crislem]

Thanks Pat, that answers the question. As I said I expected AutoCAD to eliminate the wire in the reports based on the fact that I had the terminals jumpered.

The question is now, what should I do if I have a terminal in one drawing and then the same terminal in another drawing? How can I tell AutoCAD that they are in fact the same terminal? For example, I have a ground terminal with a wire coming from the customer and on the other side I have the ground for a component. How can I make AutoCAd understand what I want?

Thanks again.

Cristian

[dougmcalexander]

Do yourself a favor. I have used this program since 1997 and I regularly
use jumpers between terminal blocks. Connect a wire layer between the
jumpered terminals and assign as a JUMPERBAR. A layer with the name JUMPER
in its name will not appear on the wire list but will carry a wire/potential
number, thus it will effectively pass current through it from terminal to
terminal. I set the color for this JUMPERBAR layer to a color that stands
out onscreen as something other than one of my actual wires. Version 2008
does allow you to insert terminal symbols and create an invisible jumper
relationship between them, but I choose to continue the same practice I have
always used.

Once I insert my terminal strip from terminal strip editor, I then insert my
own blocks that represent the jumperbars graphically. I used Symbol Builder
to add the appropriate attributes, including ITEM, MFG, and CAT, so once I
insert these they are automatically added to the panel BOM. In the attached
screenshot the jumperbars are identified by the color red.

I have used this method since 1997 without issue.

wrote in message news:5778180@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello,

I am trying to figure out a way to make my terminal strip and wire from/to
report work ok.

I have a project with several drawings in it and I jumpered the terminals
that have 24V and 24C wires going to them. The problem that I have is that
in my terminal strip editorI noticed there are several terminals that look
like this:

Panel TB1 24C terminal# 24C TB1 Panel

This means it's pretty much using a terminal for nothing, because it's
connecting a 24C wire with a 24C wire that are both in my panel and they
should both be on the same side of the terminal (even though I don't see why
they would be there at all). As I said, I saw several terminals like this
and I don't know what the problem is.

Another thing that I noticed in the terminal strip editor that I don't like
is that even though these terminals have jumpers, it appears that there is a
wire going in every terminal, wire that caries the 24C signal from terminal
to terminal. Is there any way to correct this? To try and make it more
clear, I am using 1492-J3 terminals and in the terminal strip editor it
shows 2 wires on one side of the terminal and one on the other side (one of
those two being the 24C)

The last question is in regards to the wire from/to report that is giving me
the same thing as described above, a wire from 24C to 24C to 24C to 24C,
etc. When I used the Edit jumper function I was thinking it was going to
eliminate those wires from the report, otherwise I see no use for using
those jumpers.

I hope I managed to explain my problem. Help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

[crislem]

Doug,

I can see why you are using your method because, I admit, it does make sense to me too. 🙂 I tried it, but I have another problem now that I don't know how to solve.

I have some terminals that are connected to components inside the panel (and the connections appear on the left side in the terminal strip editor) and I have some terminals that are connected to components on the field (and the connections appear on the right side in the terminal strip editor). Well, I can't seem to be able to maek AutoCAD use only one terminal instead of two. I want just one terminal, one connection to be used for inside the panel (the left side) and the other one for the outside of the panel (the right side).

Right now it uses tweo terminals, each one of them having an empty connection (one on the right side, the other on the left side). On my drawing I have two separate terminals, but I want to connect them somehow. What can I do to solve my problem?

Thanks!