Installation Code!

[sjoulaei]

Hi
I'm relatively new in ACE and have a relatively stupid question: What type of information do you use as installation codes?

thanks in advance
Saeed

[dougmcalexander]

Not sure what you mean but I will take a stab. Maybe you mean electrical
codes or standards. When you are installing ACE you are prompted to choose
your default design style, such as JIC, IEC, etc. This will automatically
install the appropriate symbol libraries and demo material to support your
choice. After you have chosen your standard, you have the option to install
additional symbol libraries in case you need to design to other standards as
well, or perform a library swap at some point in the future to switch from
one set of symbols to another, after a project has been completed.

wrote in message news:5971221@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi
I'm relatively new in ACE and have a relatively stupid question: What type
of information do you use as installation codes?

thanks in advance
Saeed

[sjoulaei]

Hi dougmcalexander
thank you for your quick respond
My question was about the Installation and Location Codes for drawings and all other objects in the ACE ( I m using IEC standard) not in the time of installation
thanx again

[dougmcalexander]

The installation and location fields are there for the DIN/IEC standard,
though they are now in wide use in the JIC as well. You may assign
something like =LINE1 for installation and +MAIN for main panel. Perhaps
+JBOX for a junction box, and +MACHINE for devices located in the machine.
Then when you extract reports such as BOM and wire list you can filter by
INST and/or LOC. You can run a BOM for only parts in the main panel, or the
junction box, etc. You may also like to generate a wire from/to list that
shows only the connections between the main panel and the junction box or
the junction box and the machine. The installation and location codes allow
a level of filtering.

Usually in IEC drawings a dashed location box is inserted around the devices
that are not in the main panel. For this reason there is a location box
feature in ACE, under the location symbols flyout menu, to the left of the
Surfer. You can surround numerous symbols and assign them to specific
location all at once.

You may want to consider engaging the IEC tag mode. Right-click on your
project, select properties, components, and the check the box that reads,
"Combined Installation/Location tag mode". You may also be interested in
some of the additional options listed in that area.

Note: The equal sign "=" precedes the installation in IEC while the plus "+"
sign precedes the location. A dash precedes the component tag. If you
engage "Combined Installation/Location tag mode" these preceding characters
should be added for you.

wrote in message news:5971304@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi dougmcalexander
thank you for your quick respond
My question was about the Installation and Location Codes for drawings and
all other objects in the ACE ( I m using IEC standard) not in the time of
installation
thanx again

[sjoulaei]

Tanx dougmcalexander !
great explanation !
Now I'm experiencing these features and maybe comeback with new questions 😉

[svend007]

You can use the INST code to represent whatever you want in practice. I work in the UK, in the electricity distribution industry, which has it's own standards, and although I use the IEC standard in the main, I use the INST code to represent the Item No. of a particular component as represented on a Wiring Diagram - for wire destination purposes.
Pete B.

[sjoulaei]

I used signal types as Installation codes ( 24VDC, 0VDC, 240VAC, N, PE) as I red some where as a sample . bbut the problem is in terminal strip tabular reports I can't arrange pages just with location or TSID and every different location,installation and TSIDs(sections) goes to different pages and options about how many sections do you whant to be in each page doesnt work.
Does anyone have this problem?

[dougmcalexander]

Sections or for groups of drawing sheets. Installation and Location or for
physical locations, like =LINE1 for Installation and +MAINCAB for Location.
Reports can be filtered based upon these criteria so you can get a BOM for a
certain panel or a wire list between two panels, etc. This system comes
from our European friends. I worked for a German company for 12 years and
we used this religiously. It is a very good system and makes it easy to
extract detailed reports later.

Some users, especially in the USA, use the location code to indicate certain
mounting surfaces within one panel, like top, bottom, left, right, back
panel, etc. They may not even make use of the Installation code at all in
this case. An OEM building one control panel for their machine might be a
good example of using only the Location code but not the installation code.
On the other hand, someone designing an entire assembly line with multiple
panels may prefer to use the Installation code and the Location code. You
can force AcadE to see the Installation, Location, and Tag as one entity by
invoking the IEC tag mode under the Project properties Components tab. This
way you could have multiple panels built exactly alike, except the
Installation code might be LINE1 instead of LINE2. This way the Electrical
Audit feature of AcadE will not ding you for duplicating tags.

wrote in message news:5976532@discussion.autodesk.com...
I used signal types as Installation codes ( 24VDC, 0VDC, 240VAC, N, PE) as I
red some where as a sample . bbut the problem is in terminal strip tabular
reports I can't arrange pages just with location or TSID and every different
location,installation and TSIDs(sections) goes to different pages and
options about how many sections do you whant to be in each page doesnt work.
Does anyone have this problem?

[Anonymous]

I just confirmed that 2008 will still pop up an error if you use the same
wire number
with just the %N code, which most people would use if they want the panels
to be
exactly the same.

ACADE really needs to look at the location and installation codes as well as
the
wire number before it becomes universally useful. It needs to do this with
components
as well, when clients don't want the IEC style of component naming.

We have numerous clients that have multiple panels/dwgs that are
interchangeable with
all the wire numbers and component labels exactly the same (i.e. -F1). If
the IEC
style is used (where location and installation is placed into the labels
i.e. -P1-S1-F1)
then the panels are not interchangeable.


Regards Brad

wrote in message news:5977765@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sections or for groups of drawing sheets. Installation and Location or for
physical locations, like =LINE1 for Installation and +MAINCAB for Location.
Reports can be filtered based upon these criteria so you can get a BOM for a
certain panel or a wire list between two panels, etc. This system comes
from our European friends. I worked for a German company for 12 years and
we used this religiously. It is a very good system and makes it easy to
extract detailed reports later.

Some users, especially in the USA, use the location code to indicate certain
mounting surfaces within one panel, like top, bottom, left, right, back
panel, etc. They may not even make use of the Installation code at all in
this case. An OEM building one control panel for their machine might be a
good example of using only the Location code but not the installation code.
On the other hand, someone designing an entire assembly line with multiple
panels may prefer to use the Installation code and the Location code. You
can force AcadE to see the Installation, Location, and Tag as one entity by
invoking the IEC tag mode under the Project properties Components tab. This
way you could have multiple panels built exactly alike, except the
Installation code might be LINE1 instead of LINE2. This way the Electrical
Audit feature of AcadE will not ding you for duplicating tags.

wrote in message news:5976532@discussion.autodesk.com...
I used signal types as Installation codes ( 24VDC, 0VDC, 240VAC, N, PE) as I
red some where as a sample . bbut the problem is in terminal strip tabular
reports I can't arrange pages just with location or TSID and every different
location,installation and TSIDs(sections) goes to different pages and
options about how many sections do you whant to be in each page doesnt work.
Does anyone have this problem?

[dougmcalexander]

Brad, I think Autodesk can only go so far on this one. Most IEC users don't even use wire numbers. Their wire ends are marked according to the component terminal/pin where they connect. During my time in Europe I have touted the merits of wire numbers for troubleshooting and using their method for knowing where the wires attach after a component has been replaced. Thus Ihave my panel shops build with both a wire number and a component tag:terminal designation. But again, the DIN/IEC users, where the Installation/Location idea originated, would not care about wire numbers being the same in one panel and another.

The Installation and Location codes are mainly for system design, documenting an entire assembly line with multiple panels. In this case, the schematic for each panel would be unique in that the location code would be different. Even if some panels, like junction boxes for drives as an example, had identical terminal strips, such as location JBOX1 for junction box one and JBOX2 for the other.

Note: There is an issue with Electrical Audit whereby it will see duplicate tags between, for example, JBOX1 and JBOX2 unless IEC tagmode is used to merge Installation and Location into the tag. I would like to see AcadE treat Installation and Location as unique identifiers whether included in the tag or not. That way JIC users would not receive component tag duplication errors when they have the same terminal strip ID in JBOX1 and JBOX2. In other words, I think Installation and Location should always be considered part of the component's unique identification. CR1 in one box is not the same as CR1 in another box, if both are under a different installation/location code. Again, I am speaking more for OEMs in this case, where they build lots of identical panels that are brought together to create a system. The exterior of each panel is marked with its installation and location code thus it is understood that all tags inside this panel are unique to this installation/location code. The tags may match the tags of another panel in the system, but the other panel's installation/location combination should be different.

[TheRuinner13]

We are experiencing difficulty where the installation codes for two different contactors on two different panels are interfering with each other. They are in one project. They are in different drawing files.

AE sees the first one with its terminals populated and wouldn't let us add connections to the second one.

We have subscription, but I don't run AE myself and my coworker can't give me a decent couple of paragraphs about why it is doing this. He said this behavior didn't occur in 2011 from what he can remember.

...How do I even start to put in a ticket?