I am making two drawings which both need graphical represenatations of a number of terminal strips.
One is a panel layout, and one is a wiring diagram layout. Regular panel footprints have the ability to show up as both (from Schematic Insert window).
The terminal strip editor is limited as any attempt to insert a duplicate of a previously created strip with more info (ie. wire numbers etc.) will remove the strip from the panel layout. In other words, inserting a terminal strip for the wiring diagram will remove it from the panel layout drawing.
Is there any way to duplicate a terminal strip where the second one shows wire info? If not, is there a way to easily disassociate the terminal strip in the panel layout it's schematic info?
The topic title has been edited to improve findability by @alina.balkanskaia. Original: Any way to show same terminal strip twice?
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When I have to show both, I do the wiring one first and have the wires showing. I then do a CTRL-SHIFT-C and copy the terminal strip to the second location. Once there I select all the blocks at once and blank the INST, LOC, TAGSTRIP and WIRE information via the properties tool. This then gives me a strip that just shows the terminals, their number and which does not associate with the schematic or panel layout.
The only problem with this is of course client driven changes that add terminals. It means you have to repeat the process if any terminals are added.
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Brad Coleman, Electrical Draftsman
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You can copy the strip like Brad suggested and use the Special Explode tool on the Conversion Tools menu tab to convert to "dumb". You can window-select all symbols and then press Enter on your keyboard (or right-click your mouse). This strips out hidden attributes and converts visible attribute values to text. Another option is to copy to a different drawing that is set to Reference Only. But like Brad said, if changes are later made, you must re-copy from the "smart" strip and replace the dumb strip, or the strip on the Reference Only drawing if you chose that method.
Hi Doug. The problem with that method is that I want to take BoM information from the panel layout which is the 2nd sheet I'm copying to. The 1st sheet with my wiring diagrams is where the original will be. The terminal footprint tool is a bit finicky: when I want to update a strip, sometimes the terminals with the "wiped" info show up, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the tool will insist on updating the "wiped" strip in the panel layout, and sometimes it won't show the terminal numbers for the strip I've pulled from the wiring diagram.
I usually do a CTRL-SHIFT-C and paste as a block. Blocking the copied terminail strip has obvious benefits. The blocked parts shouldn't be picked up in a BOM report.
If your titleblock resides in paperspace you can xref the first drawing into the second and then zoom in for detail. this allows you to turn on and off different layers between the two drawings and an added benefit, the second drawing automatically updates with the first. I have been doing this with my panel layouts for years.
The way that I have solved the awful tables in acade is as follows
Its long winded but worth the effort
Don’t use the table insert but save the table information as a excel spread sheet
Set up a layout formatted the way you like it in respect to visually looking to what you want
the information should be in rows
set up the user attributes in the project even though it’s limited to 12 you can edit the WDA file to add extra I’m up to 20
Now create a new symbol with your user attributes mapped into it
this symbol will represent one row of infomation to appear on you layout
Go back to your layout and place row upon row of your new special symbols
Once you have your template fully populate with these special symbols
You copy these pages to create a template section I use the sub folder command in project manager
I have terminal block layouts /plug and socket assemblies/ cable assemblies sub sections with 100 blank forms set up in each section
Now from here you export these template pages using the "to spreadsheet" command
The spreadsheet will have the user attributes in columns
With a bit of knife and forking you can put the information you previously exported out of acade in the report section
You then use the "from spreadsheet" command and all your information will map into the drawing templates you set up
It takes time and effort but now my client has European standard forms in his project which makes the panel shop very happy
Hope this makes sense as I’m not allowed to post examples
For me, the XREF clip method is the best methodology as the xref will update if the terminal strip updates.
WE USE THE SAME WAY
BUT I DID RAISE THIS POST
HOPFULY TO SOLVE OUR SAME PROBLEM WHEN CHANGE ARE MADE TO HAVE UPDATE.
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