3-pole cross-reference annoyance

[Peter_KSBE]

If you insert a 3 pole symbol you assume that it is only one symbol but no, why are the 2 other poles also in the cross reference of the first contact of that symbol (see pic 1 in the doc file)! I always assumed that the crossreference was there to tell you how many ADDITIONAL contacts there are in that item, in this case a 3 pole circuit breaker. For some it will look like a 1 pole circuit breaker with 2 additional contacts. So how do I get rid of those 2 crossrefs, because when I add an external contact to the circuit breaker they always come back.

[Anonymous]

Hi Peter,

I am assuming you are using ACADE 2007.

You can run the Hide / Unhide cross references button under the Cross
reference flyout or you can set the XREF attribute of the main CB contact to
invisible.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Giri

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If you insert a 3 pole symbol you assume that it is only one symbol but no,
why are the 2 other poles also in the cross reference of the first contact
of that symbol (see pic 1 in the doc file)! I always assumed that the
crossreference was there to tell you how many ADDITIONAL contacts there are
in that item, in this case a 3 pole circuit breaker. For some it will look
like a 1 pole circuit breaker with 2 additional contacts. So how do I get
rid of those 2 crossrefs, because when I add a
n external contact to the circuit breaker they always come back.

[Peter_KSBE]

Giri,

I know you can use the hide / unhide button, but thats not good. Why? 1st All contacts added to the 3-pole component will be invisible. 2nd Because on the 3-pole component you can add multiple secondary contacts, these contacts need to be visible true the cross-ref, this is one of the reasons cross-refs exist, so you can see where the secondary contacts are located in your drawings.
We are talking here about 3-poles but this case is also true for 2-pole, 4-pole and so on.


Regards,
Peter

[Anonymous]

Peter, the only way I know to have these contacts ignored is to change the
value of the CONTACT attribute to NULL rather than NO or NC on those
additional contacts. You can use the standard attribute editor to do this. I
will look further to see if you can modify this somehow so the additional
contacts get this value automatically, if this gives you the desired result.

Pat Murnen

wrote in message news:5139946@discussion.autodesk.com...
Giri,

I know you can use the hide / unhide button, but thats not good. Why? 1st
All contacts added to the 3-pole component will be invisible. 2nd Because on
the 3-pole component you can add multiple secondary contacts, these contacts
need to be visible true the cross-ref, this is one of the reasons cross-refs
exist, so you can see where the secondary contacts are located in your
drawings.
We are talking here about 3-poles but this case is also true for 2-pole,
4-pole and so on.


Regards,
Peter

[Peter_KSBE]

Hi Pat,


Thanks , will give it a try.

Maybe you can rethink this option on 2 and more pole items.
Normally they don't get spread on more than one page and I asume that most of the users use a predefined distance between the contacts. So maybe it is better to make from the for example 3 blocks 1 block after insertion.
Btw whenever I use these components and delete them the dashed link line between them is not deleted. Any ideas?

[Anonymous]

Peter, have you tried just making one symbol to represent the 2-pole or
3-pole? If you always use the same rung distance then I don't see a problem
with that. Then you would always get the one cross-reference.

I think your idea of creating one block after built is a viable option also.
I will log this in the tracking system

When you delete them you are using the AcadE Delete Component? I will try
this and log it if the dasked link lines are getting left.

Pat

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Hi Pat,


Thanks , will give it a try.

Maybe you can rethink this option on 2 and more pole items.
Normally they don't get spread on more than one page and I asume that most
of the users use a predefined distance between the contacts. So maybe it is
better to make from the for example 3 blocks 1 block after insertion.
Btw whenever I use these components and delete them the dashed link line
between them is not deleted. Any ideas?

[Peter_KSBE]

Hi Pat,

Thanks for the answers, will try the solutions next week.

Making one symbol, yes this can be done, but if any changes needed to the symbol you need to change more than 2 like it is now. So I do not want to loose the some of the useful AE tools. So I think i will go for the "NULL" option. If ok I will change all necessary child components.

Yes, I use the AE delete component. However I changed some attribute positions. Also x4link and x1link. The insertion points are the same. When I'm back at work next week I will attach an example.

Peter

[Peter_KSBE]

Further errors on crossrefs for 3 pole components.

Problem description:
When I insert any 3 pole component and write the next line for the contacts (or use the component database)
"1,1,2:1,3,4;1,5,6:1,13,14;2,21,22" and I crossref the last two contacts these are referenced ok, but the main component should be
1 3 5
2 4 6
But this is not the case: it is like this
3 5
4 6
Also the crossrefs for the 2 aditional contacts are not displayed next to the contact.
Anyone any idea.

Thanks in advance

[Peter_KSBE]

extra info on previous post. A view of the drawing.

[Peter_KSBE]

Extra info on previous post. A view on the settings.

[Anonymous]

Hi,

Please try setting this up as the first two pins under the COILPINS column
and remaining under the PINLIST column. i.e, 1,2 under the coil pins column
and 1,3,4;1,5,6;1,13,14;2,21,22 in the PINLIST. This is beacuse when the
three pole is inserted the first one is the Parent and the second two are
considered children.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Giri.
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Extra info on previous post. A view on the settings.

[JohnnyTheAnt]

pat,

did this issue ever get resolved? i'm new to acade and have just tried to insert a 3 pole circuit breaker and have this problem also. i'm using acade and i think that the best solution is for acade to turn the symbol into a block after creation. also on another note when you want to define pins say for a contactor how do you go about this when you can only select changeover, open or closed? obviously i need to be able to define the power contacts

[Anonymous]

I'm afraid nothing different than what I wrote previously. You can change
the CONTACT value to NULL and these won't be counted in the regular
cross-referencing. If you always use the same distance between ladder rungs
you could make your own 3-pole symbol rather than using the AcadE build
on-the-fly method. If you want to try that method and run into any problems,
let me know maybe I can help.

Pat Murnen

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pat,

did this issue ever get resolved? i'm new to acade and have just tried to
insert a 3 pole circuit breaker and have this problem also. i'm using acade
and i think that the best solution is for acade to turn the symbol into a
block after creation. also on another note when you want to define pins say
for a contactor how do you go about this when you can only select
changeover, open or closed? obviously i need to be able to define the power
contacts

[Anonymous]

A couple of other things -

On the second part about power contact pin assignment, one way to do it is
in this blog posting:
http://mfgcommunity.autodesk.com/blogs/blog/7/blogpost/15451/
We also have a rarely used, maybe undocumented tool to dynamically create
multi-pole block symbols. It is wd_para_bld_dlg [Enter], I believe. I can
look into this more if you can't find it or need help using it.

Pat Murnen



wrote in message news:5522764@discussion.autodesk.com...
pat,

did this issue ever get resolved? i'm new to acade and have just tried to
insert a 3 pole circuit breaker and have this problem also. i'm using acade
and i think that the best solution is for acade to turn the symbol into a
block after creation. also on another note when you want to define pins say
for a contactor how do you go about this when you can only select
changeover, open or closed? obviously i need to be able to define the power
contacts

[ltuk]

Peter,

My solution to this was to create a 3(and 2) pole circuit breaker (attached). A pinlist was set up for each combination of breaker and auxiliaries.

Regards,

Steve Lumb