Terminal Strip Problem

[Anonymous]

Using ACADE 2008 on WinXP SP3.

The problem is when I insert a certain end plate into a terminal strip, the
editor puts a space between the end plate and the terminal. When I select
the block used, there a two grips showing. However when I explode the block
and try to select using the crossing window method, nothing show up. I've
turned Wipe-out frames ON to double check and still nothing.

Attached are the three blocks used in a terminal strip and a dwg with the
terminal strip inserted.

It's fairly annoying as we use these terminals a lot for CT connection and
ratio selection and the only way to fix it is to select the rest of the
terminal strip and move it to match up properly. As there may be several of
these plates separating the different phases groups it can be tedious and
time consuming.

Regards Brad

[Anonymous]

Found the problem and fixed it...
Hidden layers are annoying.

Regards Brad

"Brad Coleman" wrote in message
news:6297656@discussion.autodesk.com...
Using ACADE 2008 on WinXP SP3.

The problem is when I insert a certain end plate into a terminal strip, the
editor puts a space between the end plate and the terminal. When I select
the block used, there a two grips showing. However when I explode the block
and try to select using the crossing window method, nothing show up. I've
turned Wipe-out frames ON to double check and still nothing.

Attached are the three blocks used in a terminal strip and a dwg with the
terminal strip inserted.

It's fairly annoying as we use these terminals a lot for CT connection and
ratio selection and the only way to fix it is to select the rest of the
terminal strip and move it to match up properly. As there may be several of
these plates separating the different phases groups it can be tedious and
time consuming.

Regards Brad

[dougmcalexander]

Hi Brad,

I'm glad you found it. I created a project from the drawing and worked with the blocks until I got it fixed as well. I modified the blocks slightly. It was a good exercize.

[david_brude]

Doug/Brad,
On the topic of Terminal Footprints. Have you had any success in using double-level terminal blocks where the top level is offset from the bottom level? In our case we are using Phoenix's UTTB4 dual level terminal and the TSE layout tool will not nest the terminals because of the offset geometry. Any ideas?

Thanks,
David Brude
McKee Foods

[dougmcalexander]

Hi David,

The same problem exists with the similar terminal strip in the WDDEMO on page 9. The strip has Phoenix UKK3 terminals with the same issue. I looked at the blocks and it seems that the content developers traced the wipeout region incorrectly. You have to tweak the supplied terminal symbols anyway. They have the TERM attribute in the middle of the symbol, right over the geometry. I move them out to the edge where they would actually appear in the real world. The panel symbols come from the manufacturers. But I think a content developer runs a script to insert the attributes, based upon the insertion point for the symbol. I'm not sure how they insert the wipeout region, but it must be automated as well, given that it doesn't match the outline of the actual block.

I tried correcting the one in the WDDEMO but the TSE spaces them according to the overall width. Perhaps some from Autodesk will have a better answer.

[ricardo_baez]

David,

What I do to solve this is to do a swap block after TSE places the terminal strip in my panel layout! I have two panel block versions of the same terminal in this case UTTB4 and UTTB4_OFFSET (used for swapping out).

I hope this helps.

Ricardo


> {quote:title=David_Brude@mckee.com wrote:}{quote}
> Doug/Brad,
> On the topic of Terminal Footprints. Have you had any success in using double-level terminal blocks where the top level is offset from the bottom level? In our case we are using Phoenix's UTTB4 dual level terminal and the TSE layout tool will not nest the terminals because of the offset geometry. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> David Brude
> McKee Foods

[dougmcalexander]

Autodesk needs to look into this one.  It is a problem with TSE.  The whole point in TSE is to save time.  Swapping out after you have inserted the strip eats away at the time saved using TSE.  This has to be addressed by Autodesk so you don't need to rework your strips after you insert them..