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Upside down pipe labels and join networks?

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Message 1 of 16
travis.crissman
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Upside down pipe labels and join networks?

Hi,
I have set up my pipe label style and it looks good except when I have a network that flows opposite the direction that the associated alignment runs. In that case, the pipe labels show upside down on the pipes. What's the problem?

Also, I have two networks that flow to the same manhole and consolidate into a single outlet pipe. How can I join these two separate networks into one (so that I won't have 2 manholes showing in my profile).

Thanks,
Travis
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Message 2 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: travis.crissman

pipe networks and alignments aren't related from a flow perspective. in
fact, the only thing that associating a pipe run with a network does for you
is gives you station labeling.

you can't connect pipes from different networks unfortunately in 2007



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Dana Breig Probert
www.civil3d.com
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Civil 3D 2007 SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 2.01 GHz
2GB RAM, 256 MB ATI FireGL V5200



wrote in message news:5321107@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi,
I have set up my pipe label style and it looks good except when I have a
network that flows opposite the direction that the associated alignment
runs. In that case, the pipe labels show upside down on the pipes. What's
the problem?

Also, I have two networks that flow to the same manhole and consolidate into
a single outlet pipe. How can I join these two separate networks into one
(so that I won't have 2 manholes showing in my profile).

Thanks,
Travis
Message 3 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: travis.crissman

sorry my brain was off/ my answer to your first question was not the what
you were looking for. sorry.

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Dana Breig Probert
www.civil3d.com
----------------------------------
Civil 3D 2007 SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 2.01 GHz
2GB RAM, 256 MB ATI FireGL V5200

wrote in message news:5321107@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi,
I have set up my pipe label style and it looks good except when I have a
network that flows opposite the direction that the associated alignment
runs. In that case, the pipe labels show upside down on the pipes. What's
the problem?

Also, I have two networks that flow to the same manhole and consolidate into
a single outlet pipe. How can I join these two separate networks into one
(so that I won't have 2 manholes showing in my profile).

Thanks,
Travis
Message 4 of 16
mmccall
in reply to: travis.crissman

The inverted pipe labels, are those plan or profile labels?

I've seen pipe labels in a profile go upside down if the profile view is done with increasing stationing from right to left, instead of the usual (for me at least) left to right. A second set of profile pipe label style with inverted settings could be used to fix it.
Message 5 of 16

So at an intersection where I have a Network A associated with Alignment A but I also have Network B coming in along Alignment B I can't feed Network B into Network A and have two invert in's show in the profile label? Seems like a big deal - has no one else tried to solve this problem?

Thanks,
Travis
Message 6 of 16
mmccall
in reply to: travis.crissman

Like Dana said, it can't be done in '07. ('06 could) Now all pipes and structures must be from the same network in order to be connected. I suspect the change was made in preparation for a future drainage analysis function.

Your options: (neither of which are attractive)
1) Delete pipe network B, edit network A and add them back in as part of it.
2) Add a stub pipe to network A to represent the connecting B pipe. Add a structure to B for the connection to A.
Message 7 of 16

Can multiple branches be in the same network then? I guess the answer to that is no as well! What a PITA!!!!!

Travis
Message 8 of 16
mmccall
in reply to: travis.crissman

Yes, networks can branch out. They can also include disconnected segments ... go figure.

In '06, every time I branched out I created a new network, connected it to a connecting structure and moved on. When it cam time to draw the pipes in a profile I could select the branch by 'network'. I planned to use the separate networks for phased construction with pipe and structure labels that included the network name (Phase 1,2, ...) 2008 needs to add something back in .... sub-networks, branches?
Message 9 of 16

THe labels are upside down in profile view. I have a network that runs downhill opposite the direction of the alignment running upstation. I.E. alignment runs 1+00 to 15+00 however upstream end of network is at 14+00 and runs downstream to 8+00.

Profile reads left to rt.
Message 10 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: travis.crissman

absolutely

i do every sanitary pipe in the whole site regardless of where it is flowing
or what it is attached to as ONE network.



--
Dana Breig Probert
www.civil3d.com
----------------------------------
Civil 3D 2007 SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 2.01 GHz
2GB RAM, 256 MB ATI FireGL V5200

wrote in message news:5321574@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can multiple branches be in the same network then? I guess the answer to
that is no as well! What a PITA!!!!!

Travis
Message 11 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: travis.crissman

Same problem here, and nobody can seem to answer it, besides saying right to
left profiles cause problems. Well ours is left to right and pipe going
upstream upstation.

wrote in message news:5321657@discussion.autodesk.com...
THe labels are upside down in profile view. I have a network that runs
downhill opposite the direction of the alignment running upstation. I.E.
alignment runs 1+00 to 15+00 however upstream end of network is at 14+00 and
runs downstream to 8+00.

Profile reads left to rt.
Message 12 of 16
mmccall
in reply to: travis.crissman

I think I figured it out. It's in the label style. Check your pipe label style for the 'plan readability' property on the general tab. See if setting it to 'true' fixes the problem.

As a test, I set it to false in one of my files and some of the labels went belly up.
Message 13 of 16

MMccall, you are the man! Thanks that worked like a charm!

Travis
Message 14 of 16

Dana - I figured it out last night thanks to a Autodesk Tutorial and you are right - Everything in a single system must be in the same network. As you stated, you could even have your entire job in the same network. If you have multiple branches of a system in different networks you will have to maintain 2 separate manholes at branch intersections.

Thanks,
Travis
Message 15 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: travis.crissman

I am working on some pipe posts for civil3d.com

I currently have two large projects i am trying to slam dunk, and a few
pilots i am working on with clients.

i tend to be a bit of a pitbull on these things- but i dont forumlate my
thoughts untilt they are compeltely together. so it might be another week
or so before the first posts appear. so stay tuned! bookmark us.

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Dana Breig Probert
www.civil3d.com
----------------------------------
Civil 3D 2007 SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 2.01 GHz
2GB RAM, 256 MB ATI FireGL V5200



wrote in message news:5322242@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dana - I figured it out last night thanks to a Autodesk Tutorial and you are
right - Everything in a single system must be in the same network. As you
stated, you could even have your entire job in the same network. If you
have multiple branches of a system in different networks you will have to
maintain 2 separate manholes at branch intersections.

Thanks,
Travis
Message 16 of 16
sduffin
in reply to: travis.crissman

Dana,

How about in 2008? Is Connecting pipes and structures from different networks now possible? How do you do this?

Thanks,

Scott
3D 2008

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