Anyone else a bit underwhelmed by the "new" features in Civil 3D 2014??
http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-autocad-civil-3d/features.type-new
If it has the Live Maps feature as vanilla AutoCAD does then as the maps etc can't apparently be printed this renders what could be a great feature almost useless (presumably it's a licensing thing) and don't get me started on the Geotechnical Module only being available in the Suite edition of Civil 3D.
Hopefully there have been a lot of changes "under the hood" that they don't boast about and now it doesn't crash using gradings and they've fixed the Quick Profile Bug etc etc
Obvioulsy I'll need to wait until it is released before I can be more critical....
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Civil 3D has been a product that has long flattered to deceive. If we weren't on subscription and if there was time to learn a new product i think we would. I've been using the product daily for 5 years and originally the sales pitch was that it would be a design and drawing production package all in one. The focus of development appear to have always been towards road design; really a re-write of the old Novapoint. The product always did road design relatively well and still does, however all other aspects have been poorly design and haven't been addressed.
There is still no workable pipeline design functionality and development appears to have stopped on SSA.
Recurring instability in grading tools has not been address since improvements in 2011.
Quantity take off and mass haul are still overly cumbersome and inefficient.
Flood mapping is now only premium, yet from an analysis point of view it's just a hec-ras plugin and most of the nice maps can be produced better in the free qgis.
Integration with GIS for civil objects is still terrible; why can parcels go directly to topology or at least reliably to any GIS format.
My growing impression is that there will be a revit civil or similar built from the ground up on the basis of database models rather than the outdated .dwg.
Hi,
>> My growing impression is that there will be a revit civil or similar built from the ground up
>> on the basis of database models
Already started .... >>>click<<< 😉
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I hope to God not.
Plus, from the shows I've been to, Infraworks is virtually useless as an engineering design tool.
Kevin
Hi,
>> Infraworks is virtually useless as an engineering design tool.
That's why I wrote "started"! 😉
As a conceptual tool it's great, and the more time comes (like you see in the roads and highways module) it will get closer and closer to be able to handle technical details too.
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I've quite recently sat in a large demonstration of Infraworks, with a bunch of engineers, architects, GIS people etc. and we've all sat stunned as to how much not-useful it would be to us. Apart from being laggy (and it crashed 3 times), the visuals were great but virtually every question asked, the answer was 'no, it doesn't', 'it won't' or 'i'd have to ask the developers to see if'.
The landscape architect there thought the selection of trees was reasonably useful though. ;o)
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@neilyj666 wrote:
...it's not a serious engineering tool IMHO.
I still want to know whether InfraWorks is double floating point precision. If it's not, there's no use trying to make it an engineering design tool. I agree with others that InfraWorks is pretty much useless at this point in time for anything other than trying to show concepts.
A round of guffaws was had when, during the Infraworks presentation, the speaker said 'road design is easier now' because you just have to press a button to 'optimise' the highway design. Once pressed on what 'optimise' means, the presenter said 'makes the road design optimal'. The program then locked up and we quickly moved on.
Anyway, enough Infraworks baiting!
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@ksorsby wrote:
.....during the Infraworks presentation, the speaker said 'road design is easier now' because you just have to press a button to 'optimise' the highway design. Once pressed on what 'optimise' means, the presenter said 'makes the road design optimal'. The program then locked up and we quickly moved on.
<roll eyes>
🙂
you just have to press a button.
Where have I heard that before?
its no wonder we need to re-educate our bosses when they return from these presentations.
Just press a button.......any monkey can do it................blah...........blah...................blah.
garbage in = garbage out
@Anonymous wrote:
you just have to press a button.
Where have I heard that before?
its no wonder we need to re-educate our bosses when they return from these presentations.
Just press a button.......any monkey can do it................blah...........blah...................blah.
garbage in = garbage out
While this is certainly a problem. I don't think it's confined solely to the attitudes regarding software. I worked under one engineer who thought he could do the major portion of the design work for a couple of miles of road in one afternoon. His tools were a hardcopy basemap, straight edge, curve templates, a protractor and a set of flair pens.
Once he'd done the HARD work. It would be turned over the the cad-monkeys to finish it. Of course his layouts would miss the real world by hundreds of feet. But we weren't supposed to notice that. It wasn't that he thought that the software made it so easy. I was that he thought he had turned over the most important portion as a finished product. Minor projects he'd literally do as a napkin sketches and expect the layout to be done the next day. That eventually got us sued!
I think a lot of bosses just look for an excuse to devalue what their employees do and aggrandize their own accomplishments. Luckily I haven't worked under too may of them.
Allen
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C3D2014 is the most horrendous slow and buggy C3D release in my recent memory. I will suggest to all my clients to keep using the older versions and drop their subscription payments and demand Autodesk to fix all the legendary ignored bugs that just keep adding up along with Autodesk's bank account on our dime.
It's good to see I'm not the only one who feels it's extremely buggy. I was forced to upgrade to 14 from 12 after they dumped 14 on the licenser. I worked for a couple more months on 12 but it just got worse. Re-images and reinstalls didn't help and I was basically on company time for weeks because I was so unproductive. The funny thing is that 12, in my opinion, has been the best release to date. Now I'm trying to push them to explore civil design alternatives (ie. Bentley) and I'm supposed to be the C3D guru around here. So frustrated.
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