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neilyj666
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Suite versions of software

My understanding is that the version of Map that civil 3d is built on isn't quite the full standalone version.

what are the differences between the software in the infrastructure design site premium compared to the standalone versions e.g raster design, 3ds, revit structure and how much practical difference do any differences make?

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Message 2 of 51
AllenJessup
in reply to: neilyj666

I talked to our reseller last year about this. I don't remember the particulars about Map 3D but they weren't anything I thought we'd need. Some more analysis sections I believe. RD is RD afaik.

 

What will make it attractive for us is that since we already use RD. We can actually save money by going with the suite.

 

Allen Jessup



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Message 3 of 51
DarrenP
in reply to: neilyj666

with premium and ultimate suite you get:

Bridge Module**

Model bridges and bridge   components.

Geotechnical Module**

Streamline import, use,   and documentation of borehole data.

Rail Layout Module**

Streamline the layout of   tracks. Create new alignments and switch graphics based on the rail turnout   catalog.

 

**AutoCAD Civil 3D 2014 is included in Infrastructure Design Suite 2014 Premium and Ultimate editions. This module is only available to Infrastructure Design Suite 2014 Premium and Ultimate edition, Subscription users and is not available in stand-alone AutoCAD Civil 3D 2014 software.

 

plus its cheaper if you buy the suite if one person needs at least three of the programs in the suite compared to buying each one separately

the functionalitys the same civil 3d in the suite is the same as civil 3d non suite

the licensing will be different if you buy suite compared to standalone programs

 

 

 

 

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DarrenP
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with civil 3d you don't get the industry data modeling  like you do get with map 3d

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neilyj666
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Thanks for this - Geotechnical Module is the only worthwhile one for me....but I was really asking about the other non Civil 3D included software

 

2013-04-16 08_24_21-Infrastructure Design Suite _ Included Software _ Autodesk.jpg

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Cadguru42
in reply to: neilyj666

 

@neilyj666 wrote:

Thanks for this - Geotechnical Module is the only worthwhile one for me....but I was really asking about the other non Civil 3D included software

 

2013-04-16 08_24_21-Infrastructure Design Suite _ Included Software _ Autodesk.jpg


In my opinion Autodesk needs to rename Utility Design as it's only one utility, electric. There are lots of utilities, storm water, waste water, electric, gas, communications, etc. If the program is only designed for one of them, then it should be called Electric Design. It's useless for us. I also doubt ReCap will be worth anything. I've tried many times to use its past incarnations to generate a model of something based on photographs and it fails every single time. Revit might be useful, but it won't be used much as most bridge work is done by outside sources for us. Navisworks sounds neat, but it's really more suited to major building and site designs, not roadway or sidewalk design, so it's kind of useless for us also. Infraworks is the only new software that might actually be useful for us, depending upon how well it integrates with Civil 3D and ArcGIS. 

 

We already have a license of Raster Design and 3ds Max, so at least upgrading one of our C3D licenses to the Suite is worth it, but not the rest of them. 

 

I'm still waiting on that opt out email that Autodesk said they'd send in a few weeks, but that was 6 weeks ago and I still haven't recieved it. We don't want all of our C3D licenses converted and so far Autodesk hasn't given us a way out. 

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Message 7 of 51
AllenJessup
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engrtech wrote:

 

I'm still waiting on that opt out email that Autodesk said they'd send in a few weeks, but that was 6 weeks ago and I still haven't recieved it. We don't want all of our C3D licenses converted and so far Autodesk hasn't given us a way out. 


It's probably going to be in the same email that announces the availability for download. I don't know the status of every piece in the suite. So you may be given the chance to opt out and download just Civil 3d or accept the suite and have to wait for all the pieces to be available.
 

Allen



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Message 8 of 51
neilyj666
in reply to: AllenJessup

Apparently download day is 18th April - at least for North America.

I'll be going down the Premium Suite route so hopefully (along with Raster and the Geotechnical Module) there be something useful.

PS Is Raster Design a standalone product or is it run directly from Civil ??

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Message 9 of 51
Cadguru42
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@neilyj666 wrote:
Apparently download day is 18th April - at least for North America.

I'll be going down the Premium Suite route so hopefully (along with Raster and the Geotechnical Module) there be something useful.

PS Is Raster Design a standalone product or is it run directly from Civil ??

Raster Design is an add-on to AutoCAD and any of its verticals. It just adds a new ribbon tab and some image manipulation pallets. 

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Message 10 of 51
neilyj666
in reply to: Cadguru42

thanks for this 🙂

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Message 11 of 51
AllenJessup
in reply to: neilyj666

I found the email and confirmed that the opt-out will be available either in the email or as you're downloading. It isn't clear as to the exact step.

 

The emails should be out on the 28th according to the email

 

Allen Jessup



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Message 12 of 51
BrianHailey
in reply to: neilyj666


@neilyj666 wrote:
My understanding is that the version of Map that civil 3d is built on isn't quite the full standalone version.

what are the differences between the software in the infrastructure design site premium compared to the standalone versions e.g raster design, 3ds, revit structure and how much practical difference do any differences make?

To answer the original question a bit more directly, Map 3D has the Industry Models (as mentioned by someone else). The Industry Models where previously known as Topobase.

Brian J. Hailey, P.E.



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Message 13 of 51
Neilw_05
in reply to: AllenJessup

Users should inquire about any costs to downgrade from a suite after accepting the offer. Our inquiry reveals it is VERY expensive.

 

Not to say it is a bad move but you should be informed when making the choice.

Neil Wilson (a.k.a. neilw)
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Message 14 of 51
DarrenP
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yes it is expensive

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AllenJessup
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Any change to Subscription is expensive. Multiply that by the number of seats of each piece of software in the suite and it may become very VERY expensive.

 

Check with you're reseller as to the final date you are able to opt-out. I'm hearing that you may be able to opt-out even if you downloaded the suite, for a limited time that is. Plus a lot will depend on your subscription renewal date.

 

Allen Jessup

 



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Message 16 of 51
DarrenP
in reply to: AllenJessup


 

Check with you're reseller as to the final date you are able to opt-out. I'm hearing that you may be able to opt-out even if you downloaded the suite, for a limited time that is. Plus a lot will depend on your subscription renewal date.

 

Allen Jessup

 


i think you have until the end of the year

i will have to verify that also depends like you said when your sub contract expires

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neilyj666
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I believe that you can download and opt out of the suite after a few daysbut not sure how this works in practice

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AllenJessup
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@DarrenP wrote:

i think you have until the end of the year

i will have to verify that also depends like you said when your sub contract expires


That's pretty much along the lines of what I was told. We're in almost the perfect position. Our Subscription expiration date was 2 days ago. We'd already renewed our Civil 3D and RD. Now, because we will be able to drop the renewal on RD next year, we will actually save a (very) little on our next subscription contract.

 

Please. Everyone should check directly with their reseller to go over what this will and wont cost you. Nothing we're posting here is official.

 

Allen Jessup



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Message 19 of 51
neilyj666
in reply to: BrianHailey

So if a current MAP 3D user decides to free upgrade to Design Suite Standard, he will still get the "Full" version of Map but should he pay to upgrade to Premium or Ultimate he will only get the "LT" version?? Seems a bit odd if this were the case...!?!?!?

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Message 20 of 51
AllenJessup
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@neilyj666 wrote:
So if a current MAP 3D user decides to free upgrade to Design Suite Standard, he will still get the "Full" version of Map but should he pay to upgrade to Premium or Ultimate he will only get the "LT" version?? Seems a bit odd if this were the case...!?!?!?

The way I read it is that all levels get full Map 3D. Premium and Ultimate users will get both the Full Map 3D and the "LT" version that runs inside Civil 3D. You'll have to start Map separately to get the full functions.

 

Allen Jessup



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