AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

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rkmcswain
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Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

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09-21-2011 02:41 PM

C3D2011

 

Say you have a feature line in plan view and you project it to profile view.

Is there a way to label the true slope of the projected feature line segments in profile?

 

The profile view depth labels are not accurate since it's simply calculating the length from station to station in profile.

...and of course this does not correspond to the true segment length since the feature line is not parallel to the alignment.

 

 

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Joe-Bouza
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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

09-22-2011 05:24 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

If you project anything to a profile view that is offset (and/or not parallel) to the alignment the true grade can't be labeled. Just like the outside and inside eop will not have the same true grade as the PGL.

 

And to do so with the profile view stationing would be equally incorrect.

Thank you

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

09-22-2011 06:04 AM in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Joe-Bouza wrote:

If you project anything to a profile view that is offset (and/or not parallel) to the alignment the true grade can't be labeled. .


When you say "can't be labeled", I'm assume what you are saying is that this is missing functionality, because obviously there is no reason it can't be done. The true grade is known, there just isn't a command to make it happen......

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

09-22-2011 11:32 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

That's not exactly what I'm saying.

 

If you have a profile view along the center line and the grade is 2% and you have a curve from station pc1+25  to pt2+00 (assuming no SE) the grade of the inside and outside curve will not be 2% but some other value x% (due to the arc length). If you project either eop to the profile they will project to station 1+25 and 2+00 respectively. The functionality to label is there but each curve is actually shorter or longer than 75 feet, but the end points will be at the correct elevation, so if you place the real grade on them the point can be argued that E2-E1/ .75 does not equal x%.

 

I believe this is why the software does not label SI profiles; it would be a lie.

Thank you

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

09-22-2011 12:23 PM in reply to: Joe-Bouza

We are on a different wavelength here....

 

I understand the whole thing about true length, etc. Sorry, I tried to make that clear in my initial post....

 

My point is that C3D *knows* the true length of any feature line segment, and it knows the elevations at each end point, and so by definition, it knows the true grade - which is easily found in the C3D table below.

 

flinedata.png

 

So yes, I know the *representation* of any given segment in the profile will not be accurate - but I'm not interested in it labeling segments on how they appear, just labeling the true grade.....hence my conclusion that this is missing functionality.

 

Thanks.

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

09-22-2011 12:55 PM in reply to: rkmcswain

:smileywink: I think we are on the same wave length. I think the functionality is not there due to the true length conundrum

Thank you

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

09-22-2011 01:04 PM in reply to: Joe-Bouza

So what choice is there than manually placing text/mtext in the profile view     :smileymad: 

 

Seems as if there would be more people needing this functionality...

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Message 8 of 15 (2,280 Views)

Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

12-15-2011 08:50 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

Did you ever find a way to do this? I also need to add slope labels to projected feature lines.

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

03-16-2012 08:13 AM in reply to: jbear0000

jbear0000 wrote:

Did you ever find a way to do this? I also need to add slope labels to projected feature lines.


No, I have not.

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Re: Slope labels for feature lines projected to profile

03-16-2012 09:04 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

My solution for this was to project the feature lines, then create a new profile line that follows along those projected feature lines. I then set the style for that new profile line to be a non-display style and then I have slope labels on my projected feature lines. In the areas between the projected feature lines I simply delete the slope labels I don't need.

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