AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

Reply
Active Contributor
martin.folber
Posts: 29
Registered: ‎12-25-2010
Message 1 of 35 (7,803 Views)

Several crucial features for C3D 2015

7803 Views, 34 Replies
11-01-2013 01:18 AM

What features in C3D 2015 our customers are looking forward to:

 

1)      Flipped Sample Lines / Cross-section views – missing feature in channel/river design projects

In channel design, river cross-sections have to be drawn in flow direction. This means that left bank is on the left side and right bank is on right side heading downstream. BUT river station starts from river mouth upstream. We miss the functionality (at least) to change direction of cross-section view or sample line. Similar feature is already done in profile view style. This is quite serious problem for channel design engineers.

 

2)      Corridor daylight overlapping – projection lines overlap in tight corners. All workarounds are not effective and all the proceses are very laborious. Moreover corridors are better and more stable than gradings

 

3)      Missing pipe design profile tools – all the pipe network functionality is useless without good profile design. Editing pipe section between manholes is very confusing and not very effective, when vertical design is changed. Many variables missing in profile view label style and in data bands. E.g. not possible to display elevation of invert anywhere (missing in crossing with other utilities) not possible to show depth of pipe invert from existing surface, expressions in data bands are missing. Part Builder is like from „another world“.  Unfortunatelly, Civil 3D pipe design functionality is very poor and without any external application is insufficient.

 

4)      Projecting objects to profile view and to cross section views – missing automatic intersection detection, where feature line / 3D poly / polyline crosses an alignment. According our standards most important location.  Impossible to project polylines in profile view and in cross section views. They should work as utility network. In cross section view object projection is not possible to choose only some objects (NOT all 3dpoly/feature lines). Because all objects are projected, which is not as useful as it shoud be. Also individual styles for chosen projected objects would be very practical.

 

Is Autodesk able to implement such basic funcionality? Are these wishes crazy? These requests are from real world design...there is no need to make up some special features, that are not usually used. Just to improve, what is in the box...

 

Comparing several last releases I really doubt, that at least one of these suggestions will be accomplished.

*Expert Elite*
Alfred.NESWADBA
Posts: 9,610
Registered: ‎06-29-2007
Message 2 of 35 (7,790 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 01:46 AM in reply to: martin.folber

Hi,

 

at least for case 1) ... I had mentioned that since Civil3D 2009, and every year again, they are ignoring it again and again.

And yes, for us in Austria it is the default to see it mirror-inverted in river design too.

 

The worst workaround (but at least working) is:

  • - create your alignment in the opposite direction
  • - modify then the start-station from 0 to the negative ending station value
  • - you'll receive then negative station-values like -1+20.000
  • - modify all your styles that label stations (alignment-labeling, cross profile labeling, ..) in the way that the "-" is not shown

The optical representation on the plot is then ok, but whenever you have to exchange data in digital format, don't forget to reverse the alignment to original values.

 

To make it more clear here's a list of how the stationing has to be modified:

original stationing:

      0+00.000 ... 1+00.000 ... 2+00.000 ... 3+00.000  direction >>>>

alignment reversed:

      3+00.000 ... 2+00.000 ... 1+00.000 ... 0+00.000  direction <<<<

start stationing set

      0+00.000 ...-1+00.000 ...-2+00.000 ...-3+00.000  direction <<<<

removing the minus sign from labeling

      0+00.000 ... 1+00.000 ... 2+00.000 ... 3+00.000  direction <<<<

 

As you can see the station values after the last step look like the labels for the original alignment, but the alignment runs in the reverse direction. And as the alignment is reversed also the cross-section views are seen like they were mirrored.

 

Again ... a very bad workaround, but it's working (and for all Austrian readers, that's how it's prepared in the Austrian Country Kit template).

 

HTH, - alfred -

 

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alfred NESWADBA
Ingenieur Studio HOLLAUS ... www.hollaus.at
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Active Contributor
martin.folber
Posts: 29
Registered: ‎12-25-2010
Message 3 of 35 (7,783 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 02:11 AM in reply to: Alfred.NESWADBA

Hi Alfred,

Exactly! We know this workaround... but it is very, very confusing! Why in such software, which is anyway very suitable for river design, users have to do these workarounds? This should be natural function... when it is possible for profile view, the same should be possible for section views. Moreover river design is similar in the whole world. It is not question only in Europe. Every year our users have waited for this basic feature and every year they are disapointed.

 

What is worse, neither Civil 3D API supports this feature... Hoping that somebody from Autodesk will wake up finally...

*Expert Elite*
neilyj
Posts: 3,990
Registered: ‎08-01-2008
Message 4 of 35 (7,765 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 04:18 AM in reply to: martin.folber
If it isn't to do with 360 or Cloud or Infraworks, it's not a priority.....:smileysad:
neilyj
(No connection with Autodesk other than using the products in the real world)


IDSP Premium 2015 (mainly Civil 3D 2015 UKIE & Infraworks with some limited 3ds Max Design)
Win 7 Pro x64, 500Gb SSD, 1Tb HDD
32Gb Ram Intel Xeon CPU E5-2650 v2 @ 2.6GHz (32 CPUs), ~2.6GHz
NVIDIA Quadro K4000, Dual 27" Monitor, Dell T5610
*Expert Elite*
AllenJessup
Posts: 6,183
Registered: ‎05-21-2003
Message 5 of 35 (7,749 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 05:25 AM in reply to: martin.folber

At this time 2015 is pretty well set in stone except for repair of major faults. Work on 2016 is probably well underway. Since development team participation in this group is strictly voluntary. This link is the best way to pass on suggestions http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

 

Allen

Active Contributor
martin.folber
Posts: 29
Registered: ‎12-25-2010
Message 6 of 35 (7,726 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 05:50 AM in reply to: martin.folber

Hi,

Infraworks is nice tool, but only for conception... I am talking about missing features in real world design in core product.

 

Martin

*Expert Elite*
neilyj
Posts: 3,990
Registered: ‎08-01-2008
Message 7 of 35 (7,724 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 05:55 AM in reply to: martin.folber

Infraworks is great for coneptual and visual stuff - my point is that they don't seem to be at all bothered in improving the core product.

Take a look at a recent post that detail defects that have been broken for years and are still not fixed several years and releases later: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-Civil-3D-General/Civil-3D-Where-is-the-Leadership/td-p/4546861

neilyj
(No connection with Autodesk other than using the products in the real world)


IDSP Premium 2015 (mainly Civil 3D 2015 UKIE & Infraworks with some limited 3ds Max Design)
Win 7 Pro x64, 500Gb SSD, 1Tb HDD
32Gb Ram Intel Xeon CPU E5-2650 v2 @ 2.6GHz (32 CPUs), ~2.6GHz
NVIDIA Quadro K4000, Dual 27" Monitor, Dell T5610
*Pro
fcernst
Posts: 1,172
Registered: ‎01-07-2011
Message 8 of 35 (7,711 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 06:10 AM in reply to: martin.folber

...Is Autodesk able to implement such basic funcionality? ... These requests are from real world design...

 


This is going to be a real challenge for you to achieve due to the current senior management environment around the Civil 3D software. The staff has not demonstrated any inclination, any innovation,  or further desire to provide engineers with a more complete set of real world design tools to provide the design capability you are seeking. Especially in the storm drainage/ model space interaction environments.

 

Not since I have migrated from LDD to Civil 3D in 2011 have I seen any significant additions. The senior management staff is significantly detached from their customers in this regard.

 

The software situation has actually gotten worse due to the lack of management focus on the software and subsequent maintenenance of Civil 3D. There are design tools that were working previously, but now are defective and disfunctional.

 

Quality Control is the main issue now with the Civl 3D software. 

 

The focus has not been on Civil 3D and "real world design" as you mention and hope for. The focus has been on the devlopment of software that presents the visualization of only conceptual level models.

Fred Ernst, PE
C3D 2015 SP2
Ernst Engineering
www.ernstengineering.com
Active Contributor
rwhitlock1
Posts: 26
Registered: ‎12-05-2007
Message 9 of 35 (7,696 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 06:19 AM in reply to: martin.folber

Regarding the angst that occurs with flipping x-section data and brute-forcing alignments for interfacing Civil 3D with HEC-RAS, Adesk already has a working program "River and Flood Analysis" for that. But, as you are aware, that is only available for a substantial upgrade cost to the Ultimate software suite.

 

At least to the Civil types, not including "River and Flood Analysis" as part of Civil 3D is a huge mistake.

*Pro
fcernst
Posts: 1,172
Registered: ‎01-07-2011
Message 10 of 35 (7,676 Views)

Re: Several crucial features for C3D 2015

11-01-2013 06:53 AM in reply to: rwhitlock1

At least to the Civil types, not including "River and Flood Analysis" as part of Civil 3D is a huge mistake.

 


I disagree with this in part.

 

We do want model space HEC RAS project creation tools to take our project from C3D model space seamlessly to HEC RAS, but we don't want to rely on Civil 3D to do the hydraulic calculations (C3D quality control issues, regulator compliance issues). We do want to take the results seamlessly from HEC RAS back into the Civil 3D model environment for analysis.

 

The same with SSA. We do want to be able to create EPA SWMM project input files from our Civil 3D model space design, but we don't want to rely on SSA to do the calculations.

 

The EPA (very active and dedicated regarding SWMM) and the Corp of Engineers continually update these public domain calculation engines with new features and bug fixes. The SSA calculation engine was  superseded by EPA SWMM before SSA had a chance to tie its shoes and get out the door.

 

Civil 3D staff would better serve us by focusing on seamless model space pre-processing of data, and then post-processing of the results for use in the C3D model space environment, from these two public domain software applications,  that are both heavily used by civil engineers.

 

 

 

 

Fred Ernst, PE
C3D 2015 SP2
Ernst Engineering
www.ernstengineering.com
Post to the Community

Have questions about Autodesk products? Ask the community.

New Post
Announcements
Do you have 60 seconds to spare? The Autodesk Community Team is revamping our site ranking system and we want your feedback! Please click here to launch the 5 question survey. As always your input is greatly appreciated.