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pgcole
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Registered: ‎03-14-2006
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Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

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01-13-2012 11:48 AM

Running C3d 2012 here, but haven't used prior versions.  I'm using fieldbooks to import survey data.  If there is an error of some kind and I "Re-import event" for the fieldbook, then the occupied points from the field book are deleted out of the survey database and I get the resulting error of "point invalid" during the import.  My fix is to go into my control drawing and import the control points from the drawing into the survey database then run the "re-import" again.

 

Kind of a pain to go through, and potentially disastrous.  But maybe I'm missing something obvious?  Any ideas?

 

Thanks for any feedback.

patrick

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IanMcClain
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Registered: ‎09-29-2008
Message 2 of 18 (385 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

12-04-2012 02:54 PM in reply to: pgcole

I just switched to 2012 from 2010 and discovered this. 2010 did not do behave this way. I'm really not happy about it, especially since your post was in January and nobody has posted anything. This is the kind of thing that makes people hate the survey database and not use it.

-Ian McClain
(running C3D 2012 sp4, Win7 64bit, 8GB)
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jrauch
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Registered: ‎10-23-2012
Message 3 of 18 (350 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

02-12-2013 10:53 AM in reply to: pgcole

Working with 2013 and seeing the same issue - any news?

-John J. Rauch, P.E.
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RRien07
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Registered: ‎12-30-2010
Message 4 of 18 (328 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

02-18-2013 03:21 PM in reply to: jrauch

Remember that the FBK file already containes the control point data, so it would need to delete the control point in the file along with the rest of the points if your deleting the FBK file from the database, its just part of the FBK file.

 

One option you can use it to upload the control separately and number the points off by a series, this way you can check the survey control vs. the office control.

 

Hope this helps.

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mikes
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Registered: ‎05-26-2009
Message 5 of 18 (278 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

07-02-2013 09:05 AM in reply to: RRien07

The control points are not contained in a fieldbook. The only information in it is sattion and back sight. The point information is in the survey database from the traverse.

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pgcole
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Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

07-02-2013 10:28 AM in reply to: mikes
Actually the control points are in the fieldbook, in the sense that it needs the setup (op/bs) to create the new point data. When the fieldbook is imported it creates a point for the setup in the drawing, even though it already exists in the survey database. That is the flaw. When you delete an import event those occupied points that were created in the DRAWING are deleted from the survey database. A flaw that, in my opinion, Autodesk could remedy. The occupied point in the field book does not need to be created in the drawing. Side note: backsight points are not created in the drawing upon importing a fieldbook, and therefore are not deleted from the survey database when you delete an import event.
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IanMcClain
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Message 7 of 18 (250 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

07-02-2013 12:42 PM in reply to: pgcole

In C3D 2010 and earlier releases (and LDD/LDT) the OP/BS lines did not cause control to be deleted on re-import. I have tried to explain this to Autodesk on multiple occaisions and received extremly unsatisfying responses. The fact is, it used to work as it should and was broken either in 2011 or 2012.

 

To anyone reading this thread that has this problem, I strongly suggest you report it to Autodesk either through the product feedback or subscripton center. The only way this will get fixed is if enought attention is directed torwards it.

 

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

 

 

-Ian McClain
(running C3D 2012 sp4, Win7 64bit, 8GB)
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gk
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Registered: ‎12-06-2006
Message 8 of 18 (233 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

07-03-2013 02:19 PM in reply to: pgcole
 
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gk
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Registered: ‎12-06-2006
Message 9 of 18 (212 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

07-04-2013 05:04 AM in reply to: gk

Sorry about the blank post......I just want to mention that I have sent a resquest on this topic through the subscription centre as well.

GarryK
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bixlert
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Registered: ‎10-16-2012
Message 10 of 18 (118 Views)

Re: Re-import event deletes control points from survey database

12-04-2013 01:43 PM in reply to: pgcole

Try this work-around for the problem. Create a separate Network for the control file and each fieldbook file. This should prevent the control points from being deleted.

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