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Question about BASIC Marker Point Style layer

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Message 1 of 19
Rubixcube10
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Question about BASIC Marker Point Style layer

1 question about using the Basic "X" Point style.  Basically, if I have field codes that don't require symbols, I would usually give them the basic "X" point style.  I'm starting to notice that all my "X's" are all on the same layer ex.."AP-Point" as set when I went into the Basic Point Style Properties.  My description is set to go into another layer...AP-Labels....

 

At first it didn't bother me until I turned off half of my layers and while keeping the other half up.  These points are marked with the basic "X" too but with various field codes and descriptions.  I have all my points set up to go into their specific layers but my problem is....it's all controlled by the AP-Layer only instead of their seperate layers. 

 

So now, I really can't control which layer to freeze to get rid of some clutter.  Is there a simple solution to this.  Am I doing something wrong?  Or should I have multiple Basic points with multiple layers instead?

 

Thanks

Rob

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Message 2 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

I control point display through Point Groups. I have an All_points No_Display group. All points set to a No_Display style. Anything that I want to see goes above that in the list. What I don't want to see goes below. This is more flexible than layers since while a point marker of label can't be on more than one layer at once. Points can be in multiple Point Groups.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 3 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

Interesting.  How do I go about to try this No_Display Group? 

 

Is there a way to get multiple Point Groups into my DWT?  Or do I have to arrange point groups after I import my points in.  Hypothetically, All of my points go into their respective layer automatically....do multiple point groups show up automatically too?

Rob

HP Compaq 8100 Elite
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AutoCad Civil 3d 2012 SP1
Message 4 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

If you don't already have No_Display Point and Label styles. Create them. Copy the All_Points Group and assign the No_Display styles to it. Arrange the Point Group Order to bring all you want to see above that group and those you don't want to see below.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 5 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

You can create all the point groups in your template. We base most of ours on the description. So you can sort them similarly to how you import them. But with the Point Groups you can change the display without freezing or thawing any layers.

 

The Point Groups have to be creates once. After that all points will appear in the groups that they match the criteria for. You could have an Existing group of all field shots, an EP Group of all EP shots and Groups for EP-BLKTP, EP-CONC and EP-GRAV.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 6 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

So I just right click on Point Groups and select new?  Or do I have to go somewhere else to create this No_Display Point and Label style.

 

I guess I'm just a little too confused as to where and how I get to this point.  Unfortunately I'm still in the learning stages since I only use C3d about 4-5 months a year.  After I get back from the field and sit down, I basically have to relearn everything again.  I'm just so used to the older Carlson and Eagle Point programs that were so simple to use for the surveyor.

Rob

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8GB RAM
i7 860 @ 2.80 GHZ

AutoCad Civil 3d 2012 SP1
Message 7 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

You can create the Point Groups first or not. But at one point to have it work the way I've described. You have to have the No_Display styles. If you have a choice of <none> that might work also.

 

Another advantage of this method is that you can override the Point Marker and Label styles within a Point Group. So you can have a point displayed one way in one Group and differently in another.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 8 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

Thanks for the help Allen but this is just flying over my head now.  I'm starting to get in too deep with this issue and have absolutely no clue what you're explaining.  Especially if I can't see it for myself.  Is there some kind of video about this topic?  and a how to do what you're explaining or is this just something people finally figure out after long hours of working with this.  This program is just so frustrating.  I just don't understand why I have to go through hundreds of steps just to get something simple to work the way I want it to.  I don't understand why when I make a Field Code description and I give it a layer to go to, but now I have to make my basic marker set for another layer and my label is set for another layer too.  Why do I have to have so many multiple layers for a simple "X" symbol.

 

The point group and cloud stuff is not my forte.  I understand the point group and all.  I have made individual point groups after I imported my points in but what your explaining is probably easy to understand to some but no me.  Again, I appreciate your help.

Rob

HP Compaq 8100 Elite
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8GB RAM
i7 860 @ 2.80 GHZ

AutoCad Civil 3d 2012 SP1
Message 9 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

Don't give up. I basically haven't answered about the multiple layers because I don't know the answer.

 

I'm working with a huge Surface so I can't do anything to show you more clearly right now. I'll try to put something together in the morning before I open the big project.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 10 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

Ok.  Thanks again Allen

Rob

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Message 11 of 19
MtnMax700
in reply to: Rubixcube10

Allen,

 

How would this work if you have users that do not have Civil3D? I have some that only have Autocad?

 

Thxs.

 

David

Message 12 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: MtnMax700

It wouldn't. AutoCAD can't control point groups.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 13 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

Rob,

 

I've attached a simple dwg in R2012. I created a No Display style for Point Markers and Labels. I also created a No Display point group and a couple of other point groups.

 

This is how to change the order of the groups

 

 

 

Allen Jessup



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 14 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

Allen,

 

Thank you for the video.  I kind of understand what you're talking about now.  But what about this created a No Display style for Point Markers and Labels?

 

I don't understand how the program knows what not to display just by creating a no display point group.  I'm assuming the other point groups that you created, you went into it and told it what points to include or exclude to create certain point groups.  I understand that you had them moved underneath the Point Group of No display to not show it.  But I don't understand why and how the computer knows not to show it anymore.  Is this because of the "no display style for point markers and labels?"

Rob

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Message 15 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

OK Rob,

 

You can open the drawing I sent you and look at the Display Styles. They simply have the display turned off in one way or another. Then look at the Point Groups. I set them up simply to include descriptions matching their name.

 

 

inc.PNG

 

The video shows how to rearrange the point group list. The point group on top controls and precedent follows as you descend the list. If the No Display group is on top. Nothing will be displayed. If EP-CONC is on top and No Display is directly under it. Only points that start with a description of EP_CONC will be displayed.

 

This method will also allow you to display points differently depending on which group has precedence (is higher on the list). So if a point is contained in four Point Groups and each group has a different Display style set. Whichever group is on to will control how the points will appear.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 16 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

Allen,

 

I didn't receive a drawing.

Rob

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Message 17 of 19
AllenJessup
in reply to: Rubixcube10

You should be able to click on the attachment in my previous post and download the drawing.

 

dg.PNG

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 18 of 19
Rubixcube10
in reply to: AllenJessup

Allen,

 

I appreciate all of your help.  Thank you for taking your time to show me some examples on what to do.  I will sit down and just keep grinding on it until I think I have it down pat. 

 

Rob

Rob

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AutoCad Civil 3d 2012 SP1
Message 19 of 19
troma
in reply to: Rubixcube10

Another option (the 'Layers' way):
Edit the Basic "X" Point style. Put all of the display on layer 0 (zero).
Now the display of the point (freeze / thaw etc.) will be controlled by the point layer, not the point style layer.

Caveat: I haven't tested this with points but I believe it works; I have tested with other C3D objects.

Mark Green

Working on Civil 3D in Canada

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