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Pipe Network Structure Station Label

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Message 1 of 14
blueriver4
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Pipe Network Structure Station Label

HI,
If I have a manhole at an intersection of two roads with accompanying alignments, how do I get the structure label to reference the two different alignments in my profile views?
Right now, I have the same station in both profiles and I need to change it to match the stationing in the appropriate profile view. Anyone know how to get this to work?

Thanks.

blueriver
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Message 2 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: blueriver4

You can't. It sucks. MTEXT it.

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James Wedding, P.E.
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Message 3 of 14
mmccall
in reply to: blueriver4

It looks like there is a provision there for handling this but it doesn't seem to work. If you RT click the structure label in the profile and choose properties these is an area there where you can set the reference alignment for the label. The labile uses the alignment assigned to the structure no matter what I've tried.
Message 4 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: blueriver4

Here is how I got it to work. Lets call your default alignment Road A and
your non default Road B. Go the plan view of the structure you want to label
and create two labels for the structure. On one the labels right click and
set the reference alignment to the Road B. Now go to the profile with for
Road B and and DELETE the manhole structure out of the profile. Now go back
to the plan view and click on the Road B label not he structure itself and
select draw part in profile. Then select the Road B profile. The label on
the manhole should now use the Road B stationing.


wrote in message news:4941947@discussion.autodesk.com...
HI,
If I have a manhole at an intersection of two roads with accompanying
alignments, how do I get the structure label to reference the two different
alignments in my profile views?
Right now, I have the same station in both profiles and I need to change it
to match the stationing in the appropriate profile view. Anyone know how to
get this to work?

Thanks.

blueriver
Message 5 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: blueriver4

I did a little testing and found that my method does work but not the way I
thought it did. Here is how the labeling works.
Once again we have Road A and Road B. Road A is the default alignment for
the structure. Go into both of these profiles
and delete the manhole and labels if they are already drawn. Now create two
labels on the structure in the plan view. Label one
will refence the Road A by default and label 2 will be set to reference Road
B. Now when you add the manhole to the profile select
profile Road A first because that was the first label you drew. Now add the
part to the Road B profile and that will refence the second
label you drew which we set to Road B.

"Adam Rock" wrote in message
news:4944545@discussion.autodesk.com...
Here is how I got it to work. Lets call your default alignment Road A and
your non default Road B. Go the plan view of the structure you want to label
and create two labels for the structure. On one the labels right click and
set the reference alignment to the Road B. Now go to the profile with for
Road B and and DELETE the manhole structure out of the profile. Now go back
to the plan view and click on the Road B label not he structure itself and
select draw part in profile. Then select the Road B profile. The label on
the manhole should now use the Road B stationing.


wrote in message news:4941947@discussion.autodesk.com...
HI,
If I have a manhole at an intersection of two roads with accompanying
alignments, how do I get the structure label to reference the two different
alignments in my profile views?
Right now, I have the same station in both profiles and I need to change it
to match the stationing in the appropriate profile view. Anyone know how to
get this to work?

Thanks.

blueriver
Message 6 of 14
mmccall
in reply to: blueriver4

When you get a chance to do a little more testing I'd like to know what happens if in the end you delete one of the labels in the plan view. (cuz you only need one) Do the structure labels in the profile remain correct? And what happens if you move the structure?

Thanx
Message 7 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: blueriver4

This is what I did. I created one label on the mahole in the plan and
changed the reference alignment of that label to Road B. The first
profile I label will use the Road B stationing. The second profile I label
will use the default Road A stationing.

So to anwer your question about deleting one of the labels in the plan veiw.
The label that is remaining will control the labels of the
profile based on the situation above. The first profile label will now
reference the plan label reference alignment and the second profile
label will now reference the default alignment. If you originally started
with one plan label and then inserted a second plan label the second
profile label will now be controlled by the second plan label.

From what I saw all labels in plan and profile updated as they should when
you move the sturcture.


wrote in message news:4944693@discussion.autodesk.com...
When you get a chance to do a little more testing I'd like to know what
happens if in the end you delete one of the labels in the plan view. (cuz
you only need one) Do the structure labels in the profile remain correct?
And what happens if you move the structure?

Thanx
Message 8 of 14
eallen
in reply to: blueriver4

How are you guys handling the plan view label rotation for this situation?

If you have to label the structure on both sheets covering the intersection, how do you make it look right on the plan view on both sheets? I have label styles made up to rotate based on the view. This works great for sheet A, but they rotate to the view on sheet B and are consequently out of place. I hope I am making this clear. See attached jpg.
Message 9 of 14
eallen
in reply to: blueriver4

Other attachment.
Message 10 of 14

Hello,

I'm using c3d 2007, and I have the same question as blueriver - referencing structures to two different alignments. Considering I'm having the same problem, I'm assuming it hasn't been fixed in 2007? or should I work around it as Adam had suggested?

Thanks.
Message 11 of 14
logokster
in reply to: blueriver4

What I have done is setup different labels for each sheet with different layers. Then turn off the layers for each individual sheet that are not needed. It kind of sucks because in plan with everything turned on I have about 2 or 3 labels for some structures, but I have not found a better way to do it. This does lead to another question; Do most people have drawings for all the design information and presentation sheets for each individual sheet or do they have all the sheets in the drawings with the design? I have all the sheets in the drawings b/c before SP3 when shortcuts were not kept, you would lose information through the Xrefs.

Brandon
Message 12 of 14
annw2
in reply to: blueriver4

They still haven't gotten this fixed in 2012.  What about 2013?

 

I am just deleting the station reference from the structure label rather than mess with this.  I have even individually changed the alignment setting on a structure, later edit the strucuture, and have the alignment setting vanish, especially with data shortcuts.

 

This is especially aggrevating when creating aligments from pipe networks. The network is created first with no alignment set for the network.  The alignment setting is added later, when the alignment is created, but it won't 'take' and the station labels keep showing as blank.

Ann Wingert, P.E.
Message 13 of 14
tcorey
in reply to: annw2

I have an easy solution"

 

Add to your Structure Profile Label a Reference Text component that references an alignment station. When you place the labels, you will be prompted to pick the alignment. Pick the other one than the one the pipe network references. You are able to have stationing from both alignments represented.

 

The example is not refined, but it shows that this can be done.

 

DualStationingLabel.png



Tim Corey
MicroCAD Training and Consulting, Inc.
Redding, CA
Autodesk Gold Reseller

New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on earth. -- Kurt Vonnegut
Message 14 of 14
castled071049
in reply to: blueriver4

If you are talking strictly profile views, the answer is simple: instead of having your profile view label address the alignment that the structure is associated with, use instead the alignment that the profile view is associated with. 

 

To accomplish this, in the profile view label use an alignment reference text for stationing. When you select the structure in profile view to label, it asks you which alignment you want to use for the stationing. Right click, a list of all available alignments appears, then select the alignment associated with that profile view. The correct stationing appears and all is well. 

 

Note that in profile view you can only station reference one alignment per structure automatically. In other words, you cannot have a label that says "STA. 10+00 ROAD A = STA. 14+25 ROAD B" without hand editing, a very bad idea. 

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