NORTH ROTATION

[Anonymous]

CAN CIVIL 3D ROTATE THE NORTH? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO HAVING THE NORTH ON THE VERTICAL DIRECTION. WE DO SURVEYING AND BEEN ABLE TO ROTATE THE NORTH IS ACTUALLY A REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. IS IT REALLY NOT AVAILABLE IN C3D?. THANKS FOR ALL PREVIOUS REPLIES.

[Anonymous]

No, Civil 3D has NO north rotation. With the ability to rotate the points
using the simple AutoCAD ROTATE command, there's no need for a north
rotation.

Why, exactly, was it so useful? What specifically did you do with it?
Knowing the why allows someone to give you a Civil 3D equivalent workflow.

Oh, and the key on your keyboard named "Caps Lock" - turn it off, please 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5822659@discussion.autodesk.com...
CAN CIVIL 3D ROTATE THE NORTH? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO HAVING THE NORTH ON THE
VERTICAL DIRECTION. WE DO SURVEYING AND BEEN ABLE TO ROTATE THE NORTH IS
ACTUALLY A REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. IS IT REALLY NOT AVAILABLE IN C3D?. THANKS
FOR ALL PREVIOUS REPLIES.

[Sinc]

If you use C3D labels, you can just apply a DView TWist, and most things will rotate to match the view.

There is at least one issue with this: Point Labels are placed incorrectly inside of paperspace viewports whenever the view is twisted. They are fine in modelspace, but the do not rotate correctly in paperspace viewports, and therefore do not look correct when they print (i.e., the text in Point Labels is not in the correct place in relation to the Point Marker). But overall, it works.

[Anonymous]

I think he meant to have "Caps Lock" on. I believe he may be upset with the
answers he received to his previous post. Most of us have know for years
that there would be no BPNR in C3D. It was mentioned at the first C3D dog &
pony show I ever went to. I and others have tried to let people in the LDT
group know this.

BPNR was written in to D.C.A. as a means of dealing with basic AutoCAD
drawings that had not been drawn in any coordinate system. Some people have
found other uses for it. I personally have used it once - for it's intended
purpose. Since I started using D.C.A in Oct. 1990 I have been able to get
along without it.

BTW D.C.A. became SoftDesk and was bought by AutoDesk and renamed Land
Development Desktop.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5822954@discussion.autodesk.com...
No, Civil 3D has NO north rotation. With the ability to rotate the points
using the simple AutoCAD ROTATE command, there's no need for a north
rotation.

Why, exactly, was it so useful? What specifically did you do with it?
Knowing the why allows someone to give you a Civil 3D equivalent workflow.

Oh, and the key on your keyboard named "Caps Lock" - turn it off, please 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5822659@discussion.autodesk.com...
CAN CIVIL 3D ROTATE THE NORTH? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO HAVING THE NORTH ON THE
VERTICAL DIRECTION. WE DO SURVEYING AND BEEN ABLE TO ROTATE THE NORTH IS
ACTUALLY A REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. IS IT REALLY NOT AVAILABLE IN C3D?. THANKS
FOR ALL PREVIOUS REPLIES.

[Anonymous]

Allen,
I am sorry if writing all caps was offensive, that was not my intent. I am just used to write on all caps. I guess It is on the ground rules which honestly never I never checked. Also I think this forum is great and I am grateful for all the replies I previously got it really saves time and for you guys to share your knowledge with my I can only thankful . I am sorry if offend anybody not my intent.

[Anonymous]

I use it all the the time on jobs in LDD that I don't have to send out
digitally. The labeling comes in nice and pretty. NO ucs, wcs, dview twist,
cross hair rotation, rotation angles for mtext.

It was a nice tool for small jobs.

The truth is that C3d is not intended for the small land surveying shop.

I wonder how Carlson handles this ?

JT




"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5823001@discussion.autodesk.com...
I think he meant to have "Caps Lock" on. I believe he may be upset with the
answers he received to his previous post. Most of us have know for years
that there would be no BPNR in C3D. It was mentioned at the first C3D dog &
pony show I ever went to. I and others have tried to let people in the LDT
group know this.

BPNR was written in to D.C.A. as a means of dealing with basic AutoCAD
drawings that had not been drawn in any coordinate system. Some people have
found other uses for it. I personally have used it once - for it's intended
purpose. Since I started using D.C.A in Oct. 1990 I have been able to get
along without it.

BTW D.C.A. became SoftDesk and was bought by AutoDesk and renamed Land
Development Desktop.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5822954@discussion.autodesk.com...
No, Civil 3D has NO north rotation. With the ability to rotate the points
using the simple AutoCAD ROTATE command, there's no need for a north
rotation.

Why, exactly, was it so useful? What specifically did you do with it?
Knowing the why allows someone to give you a Civil 3D equivalent workflow.

Oh, and the key on your keyboard named "Caps Lock" - turn it off, please 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5822659@discussion.autodesk.com...
CAN CIVIL 3D ROTATE THE NORTH? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO HAVING THE NORTH ON THE
VERTICAL DIRECTION. WE DO SURVEYING AND BEEN ABLE TO ROTATE THE NORTH IS
ACTUALLY A REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. IS IT REALLY NOT AVAILABLE IN C3D?. THANKS
FOR ALL PREVIOUS REPLIES.

[Anonymous]

that's why I was asking about the uses - because I've used it in LDT before
as well. But, with the features in Civil 3D, I have found no need for it.
And if I knew what exactly he needed it for, then I could possibly provide
an alternative workflow that would work without the need for the BPNR.

For example:

One of the reasons that I used to use it was because we'd be in a hurry to
get a drawing out, and often not find out a true bearing (aside from assumed
coordinates) until the drawing was 80-90% done. If I rotated the points
and drawing at that point to get the correct rotation, my labeling and
annotation was hosed and I'd have to redo it. I would rotate north to keep
the drawing in the same place but give me accurate bearings.

Now, with Civil 3D, I can rotate the whole drawing, because the labels will
update with that rotation. As Sinc has pointed out, there are a few
issues, but for the most part you can work around them. I just don't see
the need if the user has a full understanding of what the program can do.
Of course, he may have some special need in his locale, which is why I
asked.

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5823001@discussion.autodesk.com...
I think he meant to have "Caps Lock" on. I believe he may be upset with the
answers he received to his previous post. Most of us have know for years
that there would be no BPNR in C3D. It was mentioned at the first C3D dog &
pony show I ever went to. I and others have tried to let people in the LDT
group know this.

BPNR was written in to D.C.A. as a means of dealing with basic AutoCAD
drawings that had not been drawn in any coordinate system. Some people have
found other uses for it. I personally have used it once - for it's intended
purpose. Since I started using D.C.A in Oct. 1990 I have been able to get
along without it.

BTW D.C.A. became SoftDesk and was bought by AutoDesk and renamed Land
Development Desktop.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5822954@discussion.autodesk.com...
No, Civil 3D has NO north rotation. With the ability to rotate the points
using the simple AutoCAD ROTATE command, there's no need for a north
rotation.

Why, exactly, was it so useful? What specifically did you do with it?
Knowing the why allows someone to give you a Civil 3D equivalent workflow.

Oh, and the key on your keyboard named "Caps Lock" - turn it off, please 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5822659@discussion.autodesk.com...
CAN CIVIL 3D ROTATE THE NORTH? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO HAVING THE NORTH ON THE
VERTICAL DIRECTION. WE DO SURVEYING AND BEEN ABLE TO ROTATE THE NORTH IS
ACTUALLY A REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. IS IT REALLY NOT AVAILABLE IN C3D?. THANKS
FOR ALL PREVIOUS REPLIES.

[Anonymous]

Jason, I sorry about the all caps. Did not intend to offend anyone. I am just used to write on all caps.
Attached is APM, assume that you are working on any lot along 16th street and you need 16th street to appear horizontally on your screen and final drawing. What I would to in LDD is to rotate the north and I would still be able to create all lines with the bearings on the original tract map and all my inquiries will be based on the rotated north. Is there a way to get this done on C3D. I'm in the process of changing to C3D and I do appreciate all your help,

[Anonymous]

no, no - it's not offensive at all. In most discussion group "understood"
rules, it's considered yelling. I just asked because it's difficult to
read. Kinda like the young people who write with no punctuation or
capitalization 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5823151@discussion.autodesk.com...
Allen,
I am sorry if writing all caps was offensive, that was not my intent. I am
just used to write on all caps. I guess It is on the ground rules which
honestly never I never checked. Also I think this forum is great and I am
grateful for all the replies I previously got it really saves time and for
you guys to share your knowledge with my I can only thankful . I am sorry if
offend anybody not my intent.

[Anonymous]

Right - labeling is OK *after* the fact. Existing labeling is not pretty.

You are correct - it's not designed specifically for the small land
surveying shop, but the tools are in place so that the small shop can use
it. I have yet to hear a specific function that the BPNR could do that
Civil 3D can't.

Personally, I haven't tried it in Carlson yet (haven't had the need) - I
have to get it installed on the new computer, and I'll try it to see.

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"JT" wrote in message
news:5823169@discussion.autodesk.com...
I use it all the the time on jobs in LDD that I don't have to send out
digitally. The labeling comes in nice and pretty. NO ucs, wcs, dview twist,
cross hair rotation, rotation angles for mtext.

It was a nice tool for small jobs.

The truth is that C3d is not intended for the small land surveying shop.

I wonder how Carlson handles this ?

JT




"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5823001@discussion.autodesk.com...
I think he meant to have "Caps Lock" on. I believe he may be upset with the
answers he received to his previous post. Most of us have know for years
that there would be no BPNR in C3D. It was mentioned at the first C3D dog &
pony show I ever went to. I and others have tried to let people in the LDT
group know this.

BPNR was written in to D.C.A. as a means of dealing with basic AutoCAD
drawings that had not been drawn in any coordinate system. Some people have
found other uses for it. I personally have used it once - for it's intended
purpose. Since I started using D.C.A in Oct. 1990 I have been able to get
along without it.

BTW D.C.A. became SoftDesk and was bought by AutoDesk and renamed Land
Development Desktop.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5822954@discussion.autodesk.com...
No, Civil 3D has NO north rotation. With the ability to rotate the points
using the simple AutoCAD ROTATE command, there's no need for a north
rotation.

Why, exactly, was it so useful? What specifically did you do with it?
Knowing the why allows someone to give you a Civil 3D equivalent workflow.

Oh, and the key on your keyboard named "Caps Lock" - turn it off, please 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5822659@discussion.autodesk.com...
CAN CIVIL 3D ROTATE THE NORTH? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO HAVING THE NORTH ON THE
VERTICAL DIRECTION. WE DO SURVEYING AND BEEN ABLE TO ROTATE THE NORTH IS
ACTUALLY A REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. IS IT REALLY NOT AVAILABLE IN C3D?. THANKS
FOR ALL PREVIOUS REPLIES.

[Anonymous]

Read my other reply about all caps...

OK, so tell me something - I fully understand wanting it to appear
horizontally on paper (having the road running N90dE) - but why on screen?

Here's how I attack the job at hand:

I'll create my drawing in model space with the street running as it appears
in your image. Labels, etc. - everything is done in model. Next, I will
create my sheet, and in my viewport I will apply a UCS rotation using the cl
of the street as a rotation object. That will make all of my labels rotate
accordingly, but still keep the correct bearings. And since it's a visual
thing I'm after, I'll only have that applied on my layout, and nowhere else.
I'm working in a true rotation (in model) and plotting as it should be (in
paper)

You should be able to use the following search to look at the various
articles that Dana and I have written on our website - some people prefer
DVIEW and some people prefer UCS. I'm a UCS man myself, with some very
strong caveats. Hope this helps.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000235587961719576628%3Aloao1jut1v8&q=ucs&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Note - the search link above was created using a custom search applet that
uses Google to search only our website - let me know if it works for you.
There should be 5 links there all to the civil3d.com website.

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5823213@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jason, I sorry about the all caps. Did not intend to offend anyone. I am
just used to write on all caps.
Attached is APM, assume that you are working on any lot along 16th street
and you need 16th street to appear horizontally on your screen and final
drawing. What I would to in LDD is to rotate the north and I would still be
able to create all lines with the bearings on the original tract map and all
my inquiries will be based on the rotated north. Is there a way to get this
done on
C3D. I'm in the process of changing to C3D and I do appreciate all your
help,

[kspear]

Software use is really all about perception. For instance, the BPNR that is the subject here was a solution for DCA to "skin" or present in a graphical manor an interface that surveyors and engineers could identify. The nuts and bolts behind the scenes is nothing more than a normal user coordinate system to AutoCAD.

So when no ucs is mentioned, BPNR is really a ucs but with a different dress on. She looks much prettier now doesn't she?

To that end, that is what Jason is after. NO, not the pretty girl, he is married after all. The intent behind the "need." Being as we design using an airplane now instead of car, there are just different gauges and switches in the cockpit.

We're all still getting from point A to B, but the vehicle we use now is rockin.

My 0.02. 🙂

---------
Kevin Spear, PE

Microsol Resources
www.microsolresources.com
civil3d.wordpress.com

[Anonymous]

Married, not blind 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"kspear" wrote in message news:5823264@discussion.autodesk.com...
Software use is really all about perception. For instance, the BPNR that is
the subject here was a solution for DCA to "skin" or present in a graphical
manor an interface that surveyors and engineers could identify. The nuts
and bolts behind the scenes is nothing more than a normal user coordinate
system to AutoCAD.

So when no ucs is mentioned, BPNR is really a ucs but with a different dress
on. She looks much prettier now doesn't she?

To that end, that is what Jason is after. NO, not the pretty girl, he is
married after all. The intent behind the "need." Being as we design using
an airplane now instead of car, there are just different gauges and switches
in the cockpit.

We're all still getting from point A to B, but the vehicle we use now is
rockin.

My 0.02. 🙂

---------
Kevin Spear, PE

Microsol Resources
www.microsolresources.com
civil3d.wordpress.com

[Anonymous]

Not offended at all. I just thought you were upset about loosing a feature
you were accustomed to having.

wrote in message news:5823151@discussion.autodesk.com...
Allen,
I am sorry if writing all caps was offensive, that was not my intent. I am
just used to write on all caps. I guess It is on the ground rules which
honestly never I never checked. Also I think this forum is great and I am
grateful for all the replies I previously got it really saves time and for
you guys to share your knowledge with my I can only thankful . I am sorry if
offend anybody not my intent.

[Anonymous]

You are able to use UCS because you have skill level that protects you. I
wont let it be used in my shop because there would be some bad things
happening. DView only. I've been told the same thing from people with
AutoDesk and Trainers.

The method you describe is how I would do it also and very similar to how I
would do it in LDT. Only in LDT I would establish the ViewTwist before
labeling. Originally I would have applied the twist to MS. Later I worked by
maximizing the viewports. Text, block and label rotation would be captured
either by using a 2 point Ortho pick of through Lisp routines.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5823245@discussion.autodesk.com...
Read my other reply about all caps...

OK, so tell me something - I fully understand wanting it to appear
horizontally on paper (having the road running N90dE) - but why on screen?

Here's how I attack the job at hand:

I'll create my drawing in model space with the street running as it appears
in your image. Labels, etc. - everything is done in model. Next, I will
create my sheet, and in my viewport I will apply a UCS rotation using the cl
of the street as a rotation object. That will make all of my labels rotate
accordingly, but still keep the correct bearings. And since it's a visual
thing I'm after, I'll only have that applied on my layout, and nowhere else.
I'm working in a true rotation (in model) and plotting as it should be (in
paper)

You should be able to use the following search to look at the various
articles that Dana and I have written on our website - some people prefer
DVIEW and some people prefer UCS. I'm a UCS man myself, with some very
strong caveats. Hope this helps.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000235587961719576628%3Aloao1jut1v8&q=ucs&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Note - the search link above was created using a custom search applet that
uses Google to search only our website - let me know if it works for you.
There should be 5 links there all to the civil3d.com website.

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5823213@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jason, I sorry about the all caps. Did not intend to offend anyone. I am
just used to write on all caps.
Attached is APM, assume that you are working on any lot along 16th street
and you need 16th street to appear horizontally on your screen and final
drawing. What I would to in LDD is to rotate the north and I would still be
able to create all lines with the bearings on the original tract map and all
my inquiries will be based on the rotated north. Is there a way to get this
done on
C3D. I'm in the process of changing to C3D and I do appreciate all your
help,

[Anonymous]

trust me, my skill level doesn't protect me - I'm definitely not immune to
screwing things up royally.

The dview vs. ucs argument is as old as AutoCAD...some people like one, some
like the other. I have my reasons, and if you see the articles that I
wrote on the subject, you'll see that certain requirements HAVE to be met
before would allow users to use it. Either way, we're both arriving at the
same ending in a manner acceptable to us, and not having to use the BPNR 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5823532@discussion.autodesk.com...
You are able to use UCS because you have skill level that protects you. I
wont let it be used in my shop because there would be some bad things
happening. DView only. I've been told the same thing from people with
AutoDesk and Trainers.

The method you describe is how I would do it also and very similar to how I
would do it in LDT. Only in LDT I would establish the ViewTwist before
labeling. Originally I would have applied the twist to MS. Later I worked by
maximizing the viewports. Text, block and label rotation would be captured
either by using a 2 point Ortho pick of through Lisp routines.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5823245@discussion.autodesk.com...
Read my other reply about all caps...

OK, so tell me something - I fully understand wanting it to appear
horizontally on paper (having the road running N90dE) - but why on screen?

Here's how I attack the job at hand:

I'll create my drawing in model space with the street running as it appears
in your image. Labels, etc. - everything is done in model. Next, I will
create my sheet, and in my viewport I will apply a UCS rotation using the cl
of the street as a rotation object. That will make all of my labels rotate
accordingly, but still keep the correct bearings. And since it's a visual
thing I'm after, I'll only have that applied on my layout, and nowhere else.
I'm working in a true rotation (in model) and plotting as it should be (in
paper)

You should be able to use the following search to look at the various
articles that Dana and I have written on our website - some people prefer
DVIEW and some people prefer UCS. I'm a UCS man myself, with some very
strong caveats. Hope this helps.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000235587961719576628%3Aloao1jut1v8&q=ucs&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Note - the search link above was created using a custom search applet that
uses Google to search only our website - let me know if it works for you.
There should be 5 links there all to the civil3d.com website.

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Eliseo" wrote in message news:5823213@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jason, I sorry about the all caps. Did not intend to offend anyone. I am
just used to write on all caps.
Attached is APM, assume that you are working on any lot along 16th street
and you need 16th street to appear horizontally on your screen and final
drawing. What I would to in LDD is to rotate the north and I would still be
able to create all lines with the bearings on the original tract map and all
my inquiries will be based on the rotated north. Is there a way to get this
done on
C3D. I'm in the process of changing to C3D and I do appreciate all your
help,

[Anonymous]

Don't get me wrong. I DO use UCS. I just don't let the people in my shop use
it. I also try to warn others that it can lead to "screwing things up
royally". As can other commands as well.

Some of my feelings towards UCS comes from my Surveying background. The idea
of purposefully polluting a coordinate system gives me the willies. But as I
said, I do overcome that when I need to. Having personally having to deal
with a project in LDT where someone set a UCS part way through the project
and never turned it off doesn't help.

Anyway BPNR is dead. There are other ways of handling it. Some we probably
don't know of yet.

Allen

"Jason Hickey" wrote in message
news:5823554@discussion.autodesk.com...
trust me, my skill level doesn't protect me - I'm definitely not immune to
screwing things up royally.

The dview vs. ucs argument is as old as AutoCAD...some people like one, some
like the other. I have my reasons, and if you see the articles that I
wrote on the subject, you'll see that certain requirements HAVE to be met
before would allow users to use it. Either way, we're both arriving at the
same ending in a manner acceptable to us, and not having to use the BPNR 😉

--
Jason Hickey
www.civil3d.com
www.eng-eff.com


"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5823532@discussion.autodesk.com...
You are able to use UCS because you have skill level that protects you. I
wont let it be used in my shop because there would be some bad things
happening. DView only. I've been told the same thing from people with
AutoDesk and Trainers.

The method you describe is how I would do it also and very similar to how I
would do it in LDT. Only in LDT I would establish the ViewTwist before
labeling. Originally I would have applied the twist to MS. Later I worked by
maximizing the viewports. Text, block and label rotation would be captured
either by using a 2 point Ortho pick of through Lisp routines.

Allen

[ACADuser]

Eliseo,

Sadly but truly the BPNR functions are gone :(. Like you I have a use for BPNR that is different from what others had used it for and also different from what some refer to as the original intent. No matter how you try to explain something like this you will most likely get the same answer(s) over and over. FYI, I submitted a C3D wish to AUGI some time ago (Oct '07) requesting BPNR functionality in C3D. I recently received a reply via e-mail requesting additional information, which I happily sent to them. I'm am by no means expecting this to fly, since I can not even find the "wish" anywhere on their website. Bottom line is, for Autodesk to implement something such as BPNR in C3D would like Trying to design C3D from the ground up (again). Could you imagine the problems the development team would have to sort through, all the new annotative text, annotative dimensions, viewport scale, plot scale, paper scale, C3D styles................ What a task it would be. All I want to do is do is be able to work with lengthy corridors (that do not run north-south) with it displayed horizontally across my screen along with the profile view above/below it. Forget abut using PS to do this, just is not the same, sigh !

ACADuser
(2) Dual Core Xeon 3.20GHz (1066MHz FSB)
2GB RAM
Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI (256MB)
80GB 10,000 RPM HD
Dual Sony 23" Widescreen TFT
XP PRO SP2
With a bunch of 2008 Autodesk products

[Anonymous]

Well said............I feel your pain

JT



wrote in message news:5824671@discussion.autodesk.com...
Eliseo,

Sadly but truly the BPNR functions are gone :(. Like you I have a use for
BPNR that is different from what others had used it for and also different
from what some refer to as the original intent. No matter how you try to
explain something like this you will most likely get the same answer(s) over
and over. FYI, I submitted a C3D wish to AUGI some time ago (Oct '07)
requesting BPNR functionality in C3D. I recently received a reply via
e-mail requesting additional information, which I happily sent to them. I'm
am by no means expecting this to fly, since I can not even find the "wish"
anywhere on their website. Bottom line is, for Autodesk to implement
something such as BPNR in C3D would like Trying to design C3D from the
ground up (again). Could you imagine the problems the development team
would have to sort through, all the new annotative text, annotative
dimensions, viewport scale, plot scale, paper scale, C3D
styles................ What a task it would be. All I want to do is do is
be able to work with lengthy corridors (that do not run north-south) with it
displayed horizontally across my screen along with the profile view
above/below it. Forget abut using PS to do this, just is not the same, sigh
!

ACADuser
(2) Dual Core Xeon 3.20GHz (1066MHz FSB)
2GB RAM
Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI (256MB)
80GB 10,000 RPM HD
Dual Sony 23" Widescreen TFT
XP PRO SP2
With a bunch of 2008 Autodesk products

[Anonymous]

Great discussion everybody. It is now clear to me BPNR is gone and there are others options I could use. I just need to pick the one for me. Thank you all.