I agree with Bill.
One of my most often used quotes comes from Dean Kamen the inventor of the
Segway (I have had the privilege of hearing him speak twice). It is "...The
problem that most people have, is using the answers of the past, to solve
the problems of today."
As much as we want to apply our existing knowledge to solve the problems we
confront; Sometimes this actually hinders us and places us further from the
true solution. Even though it is more effort to learn how to use something
the new (proper) way, in the long term it is "usually" more beneficial.
Angel Espinoza
KETIV Technologies
"wfb" wrote in message news:41d449c8_1@newsprd01...
> Wade:
> One of the things that I heard at AU (Autodesk University) was that one
> would probably be better equipped for Civil 3D if he had just started
using
> an engineering package. I don't think that this is true, but it does have
> some merit. I may be wrong, but in my opinion if you want to use your
> existing lisp or other programs you will not be able to live through
> this(). I am just getting into 3D but I believe you will find that the
> labeling can be structured through these styles to do what you are doing.
> I.e., if you want the label to be on the line than your style will abide
by
> that. If you want it readable, it will stay readable in paper space
> regardless of the angle you turn the model. I could go on, but there are
a
> lot more "versed" people in this NG than me.
>
> I will also add, that there were several things that this program will
spit
> out in a heartbeat. However, when it doesn't quite do all the things
> properly there doesn't seem to be the "magic correction command". I am
> trying to get some answers, but the "deskers" all seem to be on vacation.
> This period affords some extra time for several of us to work with 3D but
> getting stuck "kinda" complicates things.
>
> Bill
> PS
> That code was from one of our regulars, Don Reichle.
> He followed up with a statement that it is to be used only through the PS
> window.
>
> "Wade" wrote in message
> news:41d41fbc$1_2@newsprd01...
> > Bill,
> >
> > First of all, thanks for the code.
> >
> > I think you're right, it doesn't want to go back. Even the "Undo"
option
> in
> > the Dview command doesn't "Undo" the twist. The coordinates remain the
> same
> > (same Northing/Easting after "dvtw" - which was one of the things I was
> > looking for) and the labels remain "plan readable" (but only labels
> attached
> > to entities such as points, alignments, etc. - any text that is entered
> > rotates with the drawing).
> >
> > I think Civil 3D still needs to have a way to rotate the North rotation
> > (i.e. North is rotated to the right 45 degrees) so the Northing/Easting
> and
> > Bearings remain the same (as if North was straight up), but AutoCADs
> angles
> > are unaffected (i.e. 0 degrees to the right, 90 degrees straight up).
If
> > Autodesk doesn't develop a way to do this, I'm afraid several of our
Lisp
> > routines will never work - one of which labels the stationing and offset
> of
> > points along an alignment and bases the rotation of the text on
AutoCAD's
> > angles, not the North angle, to maintain "plan readability" based on our
> > standards.
> >
> > P.S. just a minor error message come up after running your routine:
> "error:
> > AutoCAD variable setting rejected: "cmdecho" nil" only because the
> variable
> > "cmde" was never set - no biggie though.
> >
> >
> > "wfb" wrote in message
> > news:41d2bd42$1_3@newsprd01...
> > > Don:
> > > If I remember correctly, you don't have access to Civil3D. I need for
> > > someone that does to check this routine out. It doesn't appear to be
> > > working correctly. At least not for me. It does the "twist" OK, but
> > > doesn't want to go back.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > Civil 3D 2005
> > > Win XP Pro SP2
> > > P4- 3Ghz
> > > 1 MB
> > > Dual Monitors
> > >
> > > "Don Reichle" wrote in message
> > > news:41d216e3_3@newsprd01...
> > > > Gentlemen (and any Ladies perusing the thread);
> > > >
> > > > I used this in the LDT DG today, might as well share it here also.
> > > >
> > > > How about a simple DVIEW Twist Lisp routine? (Say that several times
> in
> > > > succession!)
> > > > [Lisp code]
> > > > ; simple dview twist - (c) 2003 David Draeger
> > > > ; Zoom and View commands added by Don Reichle
> > > >
> > > > (defun c:dvtw (/ cmde twa sna)
> > > >
> > > > (princ "Pick direction points or enter angle:")
> > > > (setq twa (getangle))
> > > > (setq sna twa)
> > > > (setq twa (angtos twa (getvar "aunits")))
> > > > (setq twa (strcat "-" twa))
> > > >
> > > > (command "dview" "" "tw" twa "")
> > > > (setvar "snapang" sna)
> > > > (command "zoom" "e")
> > > > (command "view" "save" "view")
> > > >
> > > > (setvar "cmdecho" cmde)
> > > > (princ)
> > > > )
> > > >
> > > > [Lisp code]
> > > >
> > > > You can pick the points on-screen (i.e. Midpoint & Endpoint of
longest
> > > > tangent of street centerline or boundary line), or simply enter the
> > angle
> > > > you want - positive or negative, it doesn't care.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Don Reichle
> > > > "King Of Work-Arounds"
> > > > Barghausen Consulting Engineers
> > > > Kent, WA USA
> > > > LDT3 - SP1/CD3 - SP1
> > > > On WIN2K SP4
> > > > Dell 1.6 Ghz P4
> > > > 512MB RAM
> > > > NVIDIA 32MB AGP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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