As someone who has used S8 and all of the Land Desktops, I was very
impressed with Shawnita's ability to work very quickly with LDt. I did also
notice that the GIS person was not very proficient with Civil 3D (meaning he
was slightly hesitant). All this being said the GIS person with Civil 3D
EASILY finished ahead of Shawnita. Without question the demonstration points
out how Civil 3D can do most things significantly faster and easier than
LDt.
No one is saying that today Civil 3D can completely replace LDt. What is
being said is that for some users Civil 3D can already do what they need
faster and easier. For most of the rest, I believe that doing designs in
Civil 3D and migrating data back to LDt can still be more efficient and
profitable than working completely in LDt. The increased efficiency can
make up for the increased overhead of migrating the data back to LDt. To
flat out discount this option is perhaps slight shortsighted. Not every
group can adjust their methods and processes quickly. For some larger groups
change is a very long-term event. But, both products are available and
organizations facing staffing shortages should take a look at adding this to
the mix. It is not a perfect product. No product ever will be. Every company
and agency will use it differently with different goals. But several of our
clients feel that they can make it work to their advantage today. And when
it becomes a more robust product they will be able to take advantage of
their position more quickly than their competition.
Civil 3D is not a new toolbox, which replaces your old toolbox. It is a new
tool for the toolbox. Use it when the situation calls for it.
In closing let me offer one last scenario. Let's say that an organization
will use LDt for all of their "Designing, Drafting, and Project Management"
needs. If they face a situation where using a third party add-on will allow
them to do something faster and easier, then they will use that add-on even
if some additional learning and perhaps data manipulation is involved. This
should be no different. If it can do things more easily and efficiently even
with the extra data migrations steps then it is a disservice to my employer
if I do not at least entertain its use.
Regards to all,
Angel Espinoza
KETIV Technologies
"Neil W" wrote in message news:41adfd31_3@newsprd01...
> And if the C3D guy had to create a set of plan sheets, then what? Shawnita
> would have quickly blown the C3D user away by the end of the design cycle.
I
> spend far more time detailing plan sheets than design (I do everything
from
> data collection to final plans). Yes Civil3D can do lots of things faster
> than LDT. It is a marvelous advancement that I have been waiting for for
> years. But if you want to look at performance comparisons, you have to
look
> at the whole picture. Not to mention, what would happen if the Civil 3D
user
> grabbed a PI and tweaked it. Then the LDT alignment would be out of sync
and
> you would have a big headache to get everything synchronized and updated
in
> LDT/Civil Design to regen the sheets. It is easy to see how you would end
up
> with a longer design cycle than LDT/Civil Design alone.
>
> "James Wedding" wrote in message
> news:41adf88d$1_1@newsprd01...
> > Just last night, I watched Shawnita Sterret, the QUEEN of LDT, get
dusted
> > in a head to head with a GIS guy that had learned to handle C3D over two
> > days on the phone. He was admittedly comfortable with the concepts, but
he
> > WAS a new user, and was able to beat the pants off of the best Autodesk
> > has. They did a head to head comparison of:
> > Parcel Layout and Labeling
> > Profiling
> > Cross Section vs. Corridor Modeling
> > VA adjustment to get a working dirt number.
> >
> > In every case, Shawnita was a least a few minutes behind, and wouldn't
> > even take the challenge on the last task. This was in front of 500
people
> > at AU, and if you know Shawnita, you know how fast she makes LDT dance.
> >
> > To be perfectly honest, if you're not at least investigating and
beginning
> > some level of C3D implementation from at least an infrastructure and
> > support side, you're already falling behind your competition. It simply
> > will be the Civil toolset for the foreseeable future.
> >
> > You CAN do a complete project from start to finish in C3D, but it's a
> > limited project application. Most of you know we don't use pipes, I
don't
> > use Sheet Sets in the CD vertical, and we don't do long highways. For
> > subdivision design based on typical alignment/Excel design techniques,
C3D
> > is ready to go.
> > --
> > James Wedding, P.E.
> > Technology Manager
> > Associate
> > Jones & Boyd, Inc.
> > Dallas, TX
> > XP/2 on P4-3.4/1G
> > LDT2005+C3D2005
> >
> >
>
>
>
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