Here is my situation: Drawing started in LDD a few years ago. It was on a local coordinate system of 1000,1000.
The drawing has since been migrated to C3D2012. Now we have data in UTM coordinates that we need to match to the old data. Actually, we want to shift/rotate the entire original set of data to match the new UTM data, so we can continue in UTM for all future data collection.
So, I went through and turned all layers on, Thawed them and unlocked them. I made sure all points were visable, etc. Then I tried to move the original data (I also tried the align command, etc., with the same results) and found a glitch. After I moved the data, I found that there was some points and survey figures as well as a cooridore, that had not moved. The vast majority of the drawing had moved as expected, but the afore mentioned data would not move.
Does anyone have any ideas on what I may have missed? Or can this excercise even be done?
Thanks in advance,
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The corridor should move when you rebuild it (it's based on the alignment locations). If the points that don't move are Survey points, (I don't use survey points so not sure about this) they may need to be unlocked in the Survey database...same thing for the figures.
If you have surfaces in the drawing, which are defined by drawing objects, don't move the surface. It will move when rebuilt as well....any manual edits will be lost since these are based on absolute xyz values.
Ok here is what i would have done. i would setup or open your new drawing that has the UTM coordinate system. Xref in your old drawing file. Then move, rotate and align the xref drawing to your new coordinate system. Then bind the xref dwg into your current drawing. See if that works. I dont deal a lot with the suverying side but im not surprise that your points and survey figures didnt move. Anyways hopefully that works for your.
I have checked and nothing appears to be locked, point, point groups, etc.. I realize that surfaces, etc. will update after the movement of the points, minus edits, and that does not worry me. It is the ppoints and survey figures that won't move and I can't finad anywhere showing that they are locked.
I will try the Xref option and see if that gets around the issue.
Thanks for the input!
Good thought but it did not work either. I did the XREF and aligned it in 2D as desired. Then I tried to BIND the XREF both as an Insert and a Bind, and got the following error:
"Error: At least one of the specified xrefs failed to bind for an unknown reason."
OKay - let's get even more straight forward.
I start a new drawing using our template. I import a small FBK file and try to manually move a point - no luck.
If I manually set a COGO point, I am able to move it.
So it appears it has to do with the points coming from a FBK file or similar.
Yes, as I mentioned before, they must be unlocked in the survey database. The other points not moving correctly are the LDT points. They have the 'true' Northing/Easting embedded in the point, so you end up moving the label, but it points back to the 'true' N/E. To get around this, convert these points to C3D points before the move/rotate.
You may be able to convert the FBK to be on the same new coordinate system and rotation by drawing linework connecting the new known location to the control points used to define the location of the FBK. Move/rotate just that linework, extract the coordinates you want the control points to be at, edit the FBK accordingly. There may (probably are) be other ways to do this, hopefully someone who uses the FBK's more than I can chime in on this part of it.
Okay - I finally found where I can unlock the survey point database for the FBK files. Now I can move the points generated from the FBK.
However - the Figures do not seem to have an unlock option in the same menu area. I still can't move them.
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