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Layer states will not hold

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Message 1 of 38
Joe-Bouza
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Layer states will not hold

in 2012 I saved a layerstate and it shows in the dialog but if I change the stet to another and go back none of the settings are held. Is this a known problem?

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

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Message 21 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

If you're in a Layout Tab and save the Layer States. Then you're saving a Layout version of Layer States and that will only affect the paper space layers. You can click into ModelSpace through the viewport and save the Model version from there.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 22 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: AllenJessup

Sorry Allen I'm not understanding your responses? OK so I save a layout version of the layer state, but th freeze thaw is Global; freezes MS from PS and PS from MS.
Are you saying I have to restore in model space then flip back to paper space?
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 23 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

What I'm saying is if you have a Layout LS you have to restore it from a layout tab. If you have  Model LS you have to restore it from Modelspace. Either on the Model tab or by clicking in to a viewport and entering Modelspace that way or by Maximizing the viewport.

 

I have no reference for this except experience.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 24 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

I finally found an explanation on-line that addresses what I've been trying to say. Hopefully in a more understandable manor.

 

http://withoutanet.typepad.com/without_a_net/2010/02/understanding-how-layer-states-get-restored.htm...

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 25 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: AllenJessup

Not you man. I am dense.

good article but I am still confused. I am not setting any viewport states. All I want to do is freeze thaw the model to display or not display how should I save my layer states so a user can restore it from a layout tab?
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 26 of 38
troma
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Do you know that the paperspace for each layout counts as a viewport? I don't totally understand it, but if you look at your layers, there is the option to VPfreeze while in paperspace. That means you can have seperate layer controls (visibility & colour) from one paperspace to the next. I only realised this recently. You can also see this my doing a command in paperspace and when prompted to select objects, type ALL. You will see "xx objects selected, 1 was the paperspace viewport."

Mark Green

Working on Civil 3D in Canada

Message 27 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

If you're only working in the Model tab. Then what you've been doing should work. Just save a Model based Layer State and you should be able to restore it.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 28 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: troma

Thanks
I though I was fairly well acquainted with the layer command and Vp overrides.
this is the crux of my misunderstanding because I am NOT saving any vp overrides. Which in my mind means frozen in all vport (i.e. layout tabs) and model space. So why cant I restore in a layout tab?
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 29 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: AllenJessup

Exactly!
and it doesn't. That is my problem. It only restores in the model tab.
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 30 of 38
troma
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

What options are you using in the dialog box?
I would think that On/Off & Frozen/Thawed would be the only two you should work with, if you want a restore to control the whole drawing.

Mark Green

Working on Civil 3D in Canada

Message 31 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Joe,

 

I just watched the Chronicle again. You're definitely on a lyout tab and creating a Layout version of of a LayerState. You're also in Paperspace when you do it. I just tried it. A Layout LayerState with a layer frozen (not VPFrozen) does not freeze the layer in a viewport. It should freeze anything in PaperSpace on that layer. It's kind of weird the way it works. Even though the Layer Manager says the layer is thawed. The entities on that layer don't appear in PaperSpace until I restore the LayerState that thaws that layer.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 32 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: troma

all of them. not sure why that would matter its the default while in layout. Who would have thought you needed a PHD to freeze layers in advance of creating a drawing 🙂
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 33 of 38
troma
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Here are my rules for layers.  I only break them when I have to.

 

  1. Freeze in modelspace if you really never want to see it.
  2. Turn on/off at will while working.
  3. Turn all on before plotting.
  4. VPfreeze to set up each viewport.
  5. Save all layerstates in the viewport.
  6. Only use the "Visibility in Current VP" option in the Layer States Manager.
  7. If you need to update a layerstate, restore it first, then make changes, then save it.
  8. Override colours in the viewport if you have to (but no need to save 'Color' in the Layer States Manager).

Obviously you're working in a different method than me, but I just thought I'd share.


Mark Green

Working on Civil 3D in Canada

Message 34 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: AllenJessup

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Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 35 of 38
troma
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

I think your resistentialism is cropping up again.

Mark Green

Working on Civil 3D in Canada

Message 36 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza


@Joe-Bouza wrote:

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Not just you Joe. AFAIK it should be a Layout type if you saved it from a layout tab.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 37 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: troma


@troma wrote:
Do you know that the paperspace for each layout counts as a viewport?

That's a good way of looking at it. I knew they could be different and did know that the software considered the PaperSpace layout as a viewport. But I never put it together like that.

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 38 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: troma

ya think?
one of those things that I need to beat myself over the head for a bit until I give in to it
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS

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