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Label bearing and distance between 2 points

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Message 1 of 27
Chasethewind
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Label bearing and distance between 2 points

In LDD I could label a bearing and distance between 2 points. (Points - not actual surveyed points, but 2 spots I click)

In 3d 2010 I only can label a whole line, not only a portion that I choose. This has to be a label option still.
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Message 2 of 27
nmessina
in reply to: Chasethewind

What you can do is draw a line between the two points you want to label; Label the Line; Then hide the line with the "light bulb" icon on the lower right of Autocad Status bar.
Nicholas, Messina Jr., PSM
Message 3 of 27
dgordon
in reply to: Chasethewind

or put the line you label on a no plot layer.

Dan
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Message 4 of 27
Chasethewind
in reply to: Chasethewind

So what you are telling me is there is NO way to label a bearing and distance from two random points, only label a line.

If this is the case Please add to wish list. Gett'r done ASAP for the sake of all Surveyors.
Message 5 of 27
Anonymous
in reply to: Chasethewind

Use the dynamic block in this post:
http://blog.civil3dreminders.com/2009/11/label-bearingdistance-between-two.html

It's just like randomly labeling two points without the overhead of managing
a line and label.

"chasethewind" wrote in message news:6359396@discussion.autodesk.com...
> So what you are telling me is there is NO way to label a bearing and
> distance from two random points, only label a line.
>
> If this is the case Please add to wish list. Gett'r done ASAP for the
> sake of all Surveyors.
Message 6 of 27
nmessina
in reply to: Chasethewind

I agree, this is among one of many commands from Land Development Desktop that is missing in Civil 3D.
Nicholas, Messina Jr., PSM
Message 7 of 27
Anonymous
in reply to: Chasethewind

Write a lisp program to do that, that's what I did. You can look at lisp sites to see if if there is a program all ready written to do that. I worked at an engineerig company where AutoCAD and not LDD was the dominant software and they had only 3 licenses for about 40 people and the survey department took one of those licenses. Very frustrating to someone who is used to being in LDD all day and getting stuff done, so I did something about it.
Message 8 of 27
_Hathaway
in reply to: Chasethewind

We shouldn't have to know LISP to write a routine for a command that Autodesk chose to remove. This was one of the most useful labeling commands. Why did they choose to remove this command? Most surveyors DO NOT want tp have to draw lines, hidden, frozen or otherwise, just to label a bearing and distance. It does not work well with standard survey drawing preparation.

Yes, I am aware of the block that someone posted about above. It's a functional work around but it would be much better if they just brought back the old command.
Message 9 of 27
nmessina
in reply to: Chasethewind

Again, its hard to disagree, AUTODESK, please give us a Subscription Tool Box application to resurect all of the old Land Desktop Companion tools that existed. I don't understand how they can "retire" LDC while leaving some of the great to features behind.
Nicholas, Messina Jr., PSM
Message 10 of 27
Anonymous
in reply to: Chasethewind

I agree with you that AutoDESK shouldn't have removed such a feature but they did what they did, just like permanently archiving LDD. And it won't be coming back. You do what you have to do to get the work done or sit back and whine about it. And I am the one that's currently unemployed.
Message 11 of 27
AllenJessup
in reply to: Chasethewind

My guess it that a similar command in C3D isn't included because it doesn't follow the object oriented philosophy of the program. If you create a label by picking 2 points in AutoCAD the label isn't linked to anything. I can see a label being created that would be linked to 2 points.
And yes. I do agree that having the labels linked can be a very scary idea in Surveying. In LDT we never use dynamic labels past the preliminary phase of a subdivision and never on a survey.
Allen


Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 12 of 27
Anonymous
in reply to: Chasethewind

If they would just allow Bearing to work in AutoCAD DIM Command we
wouldn't have an issue.

Matthew Anderson, PE



AllenJessup wrote:
> My guess it that a similar command in C3D isn't included because it
> doesn't follow the object oriented philosophy of the program. If you
> create a label by picking 2 points in AutoCAD the label isn't linked
> to anything. I can see a label being created that would be linked to 2
> points.
> And yes. I do agree that having the labels linked can be a very scary
> idea in Surveying. In LDT we never use dynamic labels past the
> preliminary phase of a subdivision and never on a survey.
> Allen
Message 13 of 27

I can see always having your labels dynamic, if you start using dynamic and something not dynamic, danger awaits. I was thinking you could label anything by selecting the snap points/grips of any two entities and use something on the premise of the “display Contour line label” for labeling contours so when you pick on the label it will ghost the line or at least show the grips and keep it dynamic.
Jeff
Civil 3D 2024
Message 14 of 27
Anonymous
in reply to: Chasethewind

Not looking to step on anyone’s toes but this is my opinion and my opinion only. To me Civil3D is a design tool as Allen closely stated. It is a dynamic object oriented tool for roadway, piping and grading design and its revisions for land development and NOT surveying. Survey drafting is what it is on the day the survey was taken. The surface will not move or adjust in any way unless a mistake was made during the survey process after the surface is created in the office. The only thing I see that could be dynamic in Survey drafting is when the lot lines are placed and adjusted if need be. AutoDesk does not and probably will not take this into consideration, their programmers, in my opinion, don’t work in the real world and if they did, maybe they forgot where they came from. I see companies staying with LDD 2009 as long as they can or going elsewhere, like some people have stated about Carlson. Maybe LDD should be condensed down only to the survey package and some Land commands and made available that way but more than likely not because they want to control the price of the software and how we do things. As long as you can XML between the programs, that’s good enough for me. Why do you think AutoDESK bought out EaglePoint and shut them down? I think there would still be some conflict in the work place where companies having a survey department as well as a land development department for software compatibility but that’s where XML comes in, in my opinion. So either we adjusted, learn a few work arounds or go else where for our needs.
Message 15 of 27
nmessina
in reply to: Chasethewind

I have spoken with a few Autodesk Resellers and Representatives that specifically mentioned that Autodesk is fully commited to Land Surveys and even have a some on staff working with there programs. Of course this is what we were told both before and after our upgrade to Civil 3D. A Line and/or Curve Label by points could still be object oriented it could be based noplot points that are visible and attached to the the label.
Nicholas, Messina Jr., PSM
Message 16 of 27
ACADuser
in reply to: Chasethewind

That would be the most elegant solution, IMHO.
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Message 17 of 27
Anonymous
in reply to: Chasethewind

Currently, you would need to use two DIM commands - one for the Distance
and the second for the ANGLE to accomplish this.

Matthew Anderson, PE



ACADuser wrote:
> That would be the most elegant solution, IMHO.
>
Message 18 of 27
stacy.dunn
in reply to: Chasethewind

Why is a dynamically linked label a bad thing on a survey? I actually prefer them to static labels, because they will show if a change, either accidental or not, was made.

What do you need to label that you can't with the existing tools?
Stacy Dunn
Message 19 of 27
nmessina
in reply to: Chasethewind

Stacy,

The dicussion is not about Dynamic vs Static line/corve labels its about the inability to label a bearing and distance from picking two points. Currently Civil 3D requires having to select a line/curve to add a label.
Nicholas, Messina Jr., PSM
Message 20 of 27
stacy.dunn
in reply to: Chasethewind

The dynamic/static comment was in regards to Allen's statement about not using dynamic labels on a survey.

I also asked in what instance you would need to label two independent points. I could see that in LDD where you would label lot lines on a subdivided parcel, but in Civil 3D that is done easily.
Stacy Dunn

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