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How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

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08-27-2010 10:23 AM

When we create Civil plans for our projects we always keep separate model files for the survey, demolition plan, site plan, utility plan , & grading plan, etc. When then X-Ref these drawings together in various combinations together to create our sheets (layouts). I assume most civil engineering firms follow this practice.

 

When don't have a survey department, so our topographic survey drawings come from various companies. Lately we have been receiving survey files created with Civil 3D. Most all the time the survey point symbols and the label styles are on the same layer. When we reference the survey files in our various sheets we do not have the ability to "turn off" the point labels as needed.

 

I have searched this group trying to find solution to this problem. Most of the replies talk about using point groups and a label styles to control visibility. How can this be done when the drawing files are X-Referenced? Plus, other disciplines are X-Referencing the Survey files as well, and only have plain AutoCad with the Object-Enabler loaded.  On top of all this, most of the survey point symbols are blocks that have a color assigned to them, preventing them to be "gray scaled" in thru the X-Reference.

 

The only way I have resolved these problems are to redefine the blocks and label styles within the Survey file. Unless I am missing something on how Civil 3D works, I guess I need to make sure the surveying firm creates the point & labels styles on separate layers and define the all block colors to either "bylayer" or "byblock"?

 

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

08-28-2010 02:42 AM in reply to: grafp

Hi

 

I agree with your conclusion that the style for the points in the survey drawing would have to be setup

as required to have the points and label on different layers.

 

Justin Ralston

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

08-31-2010 08:43 AM in reply to: grafp

To all the other companies out there that receive survey drawings from a consultant:

 

How do you deal with enforcing layer standards for cogo points & label styles? 

 

1. Do you specify in you contract that a drawing on how styles are defined?

 

2. Do you offer your consultant a survey drawing template file?

 

Any help on this subject would be appreciated

 

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

08-31-2010 11:20 AM in reply to: grafp

I have all my point and point label styles set to use layer 0. The description key puts the point on various layers & then we use layers to control visibility of the actual point for the very reason you are having trouble. Point groups can be used to control visibility but not through an xref. We use point groups to control display of the points for working purposes, i.e to see them as PED rather than as a symbol. 
 
One hiccup in this method is the label goes on the same layer as the point. I have a 2nd description key in the template that has no labels assigned. The one it uses on import though has labels. So, you import points it puts symbols and labels on the points. Then you go into description key set properties, move the no label description key set to the top and you can then select one or more points, right click, apply description key to turn the point labels off. But it doesn't work through an xref so the labels are either on or off.
 
You can have the point style specify a unique layer for the label and turn it off that way but users have to know to get into the style itself and see what layer they need to turn off and then find it in the xref layer list, much more tedious than just using the Layers 2 tools to freeze xref layers in a viewport.
 
We have our own in house survey team but if I were getting surveys from other firms it would be a tough call. In a perfect world you would give them a template to use. However, the field codes, the template the figure prefix database are all linked so in order for them to use your template you would really need to get them totally on board with your way of doing things. If you can do that, it could work for you.
 
I personally think that points are unnecessarily complicated in Civil 3D, especially when design teams have to work them as a base map.

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 06:02 AM in reply to: Doug_000

484iF18B85EEBC561CA6A better way to control your point label layers is to control it through the point style.

 

Make sure your point LABEL style is set to Layer 0 though.

 

Then I would suggest that you ask the surveyors to provide you with this layer.

 

I have to ask...Why are you not requiring the survey subs to use your DWT? I have routinely asked for this when being asked to submit info to a client. What format? What layer standard, etc. It may take a little coordination at first but then you should have the functionality you need.

 

Then you have your layer properties as you need them.

 

HTH

 

 

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 06:39 AM in reply to: rreid

Thanks for the tip. I am trying to get my company to have a better understanding of how Civil 3d works. Normally we just send the survey sub a scope of work statement telling them to follow A/E/C Cadd Standards. If we would give them a template file to use, how would respond to the point Doug_000 makes?

 

"However, the field codes, the template the figure prefix database are all linked so in order for them to use your template you would really need to get them totally on board with your way of doing things. If you can do that, it could work for you."

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 06:45 AM in reply to: grafp

Well, good question. If you are going to provide a DWT then you do have to give them EVERYTHING. It just makes sense.

The Figure Prefix DB would be in concert with your description keys, and thats assuming they are doing survey automation in the field (linework).

 

They are fairly easy to create and customize, and you would have a better understanding of what they are locating since you will know what the descriptions are.

 

There is a good reason why my clients always come back to me, thats because I give them what they want, in the format that they want. I love to work for firms who have their act together. I can be really efficient in my field work without too much hassle, and I don't get hassled because they can't figure out my descriptions.

 

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 07:01 AM in reply to: rreid

I am trying to fully understand what it would take to work with a survey firm. The office I work in does not have a survey crew, we just do design work., so we don't have our own description key sets, or anything to do with the survey database. So I really need to get a better understanding on how things work, before I can dictate anything to the survey sub. I'm trying hard to get my office to use C3D more, My goal is to be one of those companies with there act together, that is easy to work with.

 

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:09 AM in reply to: rreid

We would find it INCREDIBLY difficult to use a DWT provided by someone else.  Our DWT has been built up over four years, and is designed to work with our field and office procedures.  The overall goal is to provide a high-quality product, with sufficient redundant checks.  The DWT is part of this, but only part.  The rest is in the suite of field and office procedures we've developed.  Attempting to use a DWT provided by a client would most likely create significant disruptions, and nullify much of our quality control.

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:20 AM in reply to: grafp

Well put and understandable.

 

However, this is exactly why communication is key. If you are going to provide a DWT and associated files, my suggestion is to reach out to your best surveyors, get their input. They may already have a lot of great stuff created which you can incorporate into your own.

 

It is surprising to find how many architect/engineer/surveyor project teams do not simply pick up the phone and ask.

 

I have spoken to these teams after dealing with a "difficult and immovable" subconsultant, and they refer to them as "those guys". When my clients discuss my work, they do not include me in with "those guys". And to be honest, I have won many a client because I came along and was willing to accomodate. I never lost a job because I was willing to give them what they want, but "those guys" did because they wouldn't!!

 

HTH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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