AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

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omc-usnr
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Message 11 of 27 (584 Views)

Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:22 AM in reply to: grafp

In the old LDD day, I'd ask my surveyors (outside firms) for their DTM & cogo folders, as well as their drawings if they were using LDD.  II'd then use thier layering structure for the points and surfaces as best I sould.  f they were not using LDD, I'd ask for an ascii point dump, and make sure their drawing had their breaklines.  I'd then import their points, using my own desckeys to layer points the way I wanted them.

 

With C3d, it's a new game, and some surveyors are using it and other not.  I'd almost perfer not, if they are new to it.  Guys like Sinc & Reid have used it enough to know how to get usable base maps, but a newby can really get lost with all the styles.  If I get data in the form of an ascii file & breaklines, at least I can set the styles I like to usem and am comfortable with.

 

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rreid
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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:31 AM in reply to: omc-usnr

This is starting to get off topic but, the big problem with that workflow is you are reproducing all that data. So you paid a surveyor to provide info that you are not using. WHY? This cuts into your profit.

 

That is the specific reason why Civil 3D has come along. The ability to start up exactly where another left off.

 

 

 

 

 

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grafp
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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:35 AM in reply to: rreid

I am beginning to understand that giving a template file to a sub can be difficult without a lot comminication involved. To make it work, both parties have to have a strong understanding of Civil 3d.

 

The way I see it is that many companies are only grasping some of the basic concepts of C3d at this point in time. They (or we) have just enough knowledge to get our work done, the survey team knows what they need to know, and the design team knows what they need to know.

 

This thread started cuase I need my point symbols & labels on seperate layers. Maybe I just need to tell my boss (who konws nothing of C3D) that when he issues a "scope of work" (SOW) , to a survey sub  that uses C3D that we should include in the SOW a statement that reads something like this:

 

"All Cogo Point symbols and there repective text labels must reside on seperate AutoCAD layers"

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Sinc
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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:52 AM in reply to: grafp

Yes, communication is undoubtedly the key.

 

And we're somewhat unusual, in that we've been using Civil 3D actively for almost four years now.  Most of the other companies in our area are just now starting to move from Land Desktop to Civil 3D.  So typically, we know far more about Civil 3D than the Engineer we're sending things to.

 

Our biggest problem is actually that we have to constantly send stuff to Engineers who are using old software...  Land Desktop 2008 seems to be a favorite right now.  And C3D 2009 and above isn't friendly when it comes to giving data to people using Land Desktop 2008.  We now know how to make it work, but it took a fair bit of trial-and-error, and Civil 3D doesn't give us much help, what with all the problems it has doing simple eTransmit, the "background mask problem", the fact that most people still don't know what LandXML is, etc.

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 08:56 AM in reply to: omc-usnr

You are using the ExportLDTData functionality as well as the Export to AutoCAD 2007? I hope?

 

This seems to work well for those wanting LDD projects.

 

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 09:07 AM in reply to: rreid

 


rreid wrote:

You are using the ExportLDTData functionality as well as the Export to AutoCAD 2007? I hope?

 

This seems to work well for those wanting LDD projects.

 


 

No.  When did they add that command?  I wasn't aware of it.

 

I'll give it a try next time.  It won't solve a lot of the other problems, but it might solve the problem I have where people seem to ignore my LandXML dumps, even when I give them explicit instructions on how to load them into Land Desktop.

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Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 09:13 AM in reply to: omc-usnr

Not sure exactly when....thinking it was snuck in 2008? It is another of those "undocumented" commands that you need to have close contact with Autodesk in order to get wind of.

 

The only thing to remember is you need to start the Import to LDD function first then cancel the command (it loads necessary dll's) then execute the ExportLDTdata command.

 

Check it out.

 

HTH

 

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Message 18 of 27 (546 Views)

Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

09-02-2010 11:15 AM in reply to: omc-usnr

Thanks for the export to LDT command. Didn't know that one.

 

Lot of good points brought up. For what it's worth, we have a lot of clients request Land Desktop because they either don't know how to work with Civil 3D files or they are using a different flavor or version of AutoCAD and they just don't want to deal with it.

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Message 19 of 27 (245 Views)

Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

11-08-2011 03:00 PM in reply to: Doug_000

Doug and grafp... I deal with survey from other companies, and it comes down to them either using a survey code list that you provide that matches your C3D template. Or you do the point coding yourself. Which is a way to save costs from the surveying company... Ask for just the point data,  be sure to specify Grid or Ground (separate topic). Often times the field surveyor don't care, they use what they've been using for years, and the someone in the office generally always recodes the data to match the standards in place. Really all you want is the excel or txt file. Then your survey will always match your template and your problems will go away.

 

We fortunately have a provincial / state approved survey code list to provide to our sub-consultant surveying companies. This helps with defining the "description" field of the survey points, which ultimately defines your description key settings. What point styles are used, and label styles. It is very worth the effort. I highly recommend setting all point and label styles to use layer "0" and allow the point group to define these layers. For large models using point groups to control visibility is key. Using the layer control approach is now "old school". :smileyhappy:

 

I do have a problem that is similar to what the original post is about, so here it goes... 

 

My points plot at a size that is unrelated to how my Points Xref and Model scale are saved. (Smaller point view) I checked my drawing and scale settings and everything matches as you suggested. Except, I require a scale of 1:10000 for my new layout. So, my point display is completely out to lunch because the layout viewport is altering the point size, however my model space, and xref model space are all set as I require them. I need my points to display at the scale they are set at in the XREF file, not the actual viewport within an alternate drawing. Is this possible? Or does someone have any great suggestions. Thanks in advance, much appreciated.

 

The point style has 4 options for SIZE. 1) Use Drawing Scale, 2) Use Fixed Scale, 3) use size in absolute units, 4) use size relative to screen. Could someone explain the pros and cons of these or know where i can access this information.

 

My settings:

Point Style  - Everything is set to use layer "0" and "use a fixed scale" at x=1 y=1 and z=1 (for blocks and symbols) - Is this right or wrong?

 

Label Style - Everything is set to use layer "0" and text height is 2.5mm as required for 1:1000 plotting. - Maybe this is wrong, but there is no scale factor setting for the Label Styles... to my knowledge.

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Message 20 of 27 (229 Views)

Re: How to deal with visibility point label styles thru an X-ref

11-09-2011 08:57 AM in reply to: LeafRiders

Thanks for the input. This has been a while ago. Since this time, we've resolved all our point display issues, we use Carlson now for survey. Everyone's happy & we spend less time mucking around with software settings.

 

sorry in advance, I'm sure that will raise a few hackles.

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