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*Dave D
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Difficult editing profiles

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11-09-2004 06:59 AM
What happened to the Vertical Alignment Editor in Civil3D? Seems a lot more cumbersome to add information. I especially liked the Calculator option in LDT, so you could figure out K values for vertical curves before it actually gets applied to the design file. Dave D.
*Don Reichle
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Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 07:38 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Hey Dave; I'll let the gurus address the "Where is it?" portion of your post. I'm sure that they haven't done away with it. It just may take some searching to find where it lives now. As to your cumbersome observation; I watched Lori Copeland at the Civil Express Tour in Anaheim last Thursday start with a Horizontal Alignment; Progress to a Finish Profile; Create an Assembly (Template) for her Corridor Design; Calculate a FG Surface, complete with contours; Calculate a Dirt Quantity; all in 12 minutes, which included time for explaining what she was doing, and fielding questions from the audience. Cumbersome, you say? I, for one, am thinking NOT! What they did try to get across to the crowd, was that some of us would find it necessary to re-think the way we do designs. This kind of re-education is a good thing, IMHO. It's time to take the phrase "But that's the way we've always done it!" and bury it deep in an unmarked grave somewhere in the desert where the shifting sands will forever hide its resting place. -- Don Reichle Hacker Engineering, Inc. "King of Work-Arounds" LDT & CD 2004 C3D 2004 SP1 On HP Pavilion a367c 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM XP PRO - SP2 "Dave D" wrote in message news:4190db56$1_3@newsprd01... > What happened to the Vertical Alignment Editor in Civil3D? Seems a lot > more cumbersome to add information. I especially liked the Calculator > option in LDT, so you could figure out K values for vertical curves before > it actually gets applied to the design file. > > Dave D. >
*Peter Funk - Autodesk, Inc.
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Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 08:17 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Dave, If you start the Profile Layout command, and under the left most button on the toolbar, you'll find "Curve Settings...". With this, you can specifiy either Curve Length or K value for Parabolic Crest and Sag curves. Once the profile is added to the project, if you "edit profile" and choose the "Profile Grid View" you can modify the K value, curve length or curve radius, and see the results in the other fields, as well as on the profile. Peter Funk API Product Manager Autodesk, Inc.
*Dave D
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Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 08:54 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Ok thanks Peter. This process is something I'll have to get use to. I'm just used to the old way of doing things. Thanks, Dave D. "Peter Funk - Autodesk, Inc." wrote in message news:4190ed85$1_3@newsprd01... > Dave, > > If you start the Profile Layout command, and under the left most button on > the toolbar, you'll find "Curve Settings...". With this, you can specifiy > either Curve Length or K value for Parabolic Crest and Sag curves. > > Once the profile is added to the project, if you "edit profile" and choose > the "Profile Grid View" you can modify the K value, curve length or curve > radius, and see the results in the other fields, as well as on the > profile. > > Peter Funk > API Product Manager > Autodesk, Inc. > >
*Dave D
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Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 09:00 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Thanks Don. Yeah, those "canned" presentations are great, but while in the midst of actually doing real world design, it takes just a bit longer to work out the numbers. If it only took 12 minutes to do a real design, a lot of people would be out of work. I understand what you are really saying though, and I agree. The software is becoming easier to use and more intuitive. It's sometimes tough to break old ways of doing things. I'll come to terms with it. Thanks, Dave D. "Don Reichle" wrote in message news:4190e46f$1_2@newsprd01... > Hey Dave; > > I'll let the gurus address the "Where is it?" portion of your post. I'm > sure that they haven't done away with it. It just may take some searching > to find where it lives now. > > As to your cumbersome observation; > I watched Lori Copeland at the Civil Express Tour in Anaheim last Thursday > start with a Horizontal Alignment; > Progress to a Finish Profile; > Create an Assembly (Template) for her Corridor Design; > Calculate a FG Surface, complete with contours; > Calculate a Dirt Quantity; > all in 12 minutes, which included time for explaining what she was doing, > and fielding questions from the audience. > > Cumbersome, you say? > > I, for one, am thinking NOT! > > What they did try to get across to the crowd, was that some of us would > find it necessary to re-think the way we do designs. This kind of > re-education is a good thing, IMHO. > > It's time to take the phrase "But that's the way we've always done it!" > and bury it deep in an unmarked grave somewhere in the desert where the > shifting sands will forever hide its resting place. > > -- > Don Reichle > Hacker Engineering, Inc. > "King of Work-Arounds" > LDT & CD 2004 > C3D 2004 SP1 > On HP Pavilion a367c > 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM > XP PRO - SP2 > > > "Dave D" wrote in message > news:4190db56$1_3@newsprd01... >> What happened to the Vertical Alignment Editor in Civil3D? Seems a lot >> more cumbersome to add information. I especially liked the Calculator >> option in LDT, so you could figure out K values for vertical curves >> before it actually gets applied to the design file. >> >> Dave D. >> > >
*Don Reichle
Message 6 of 18 (90 Views)

Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 09:20 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Hey Dave; I greatest potential for C3D IMHO is in the arena of preliminary design. When the client is playing the What If? game, we will be able to give them just about real-time answers. That's what is generating most of my excitement. I was able to create the FG profile that would suit the design needs of the project, and then by grip editing the horizontal alignment find the best spot for it WRT the existing ground. I'm prepared to take the flack I expect re. my view of BTTWWADI (see below), but I'm convinced that the process will need tweaking to take advantage of this paradigm shift, as James Wedding was quoted during the Civil Express Tour. -- Don Reichle Hacker Engineering, Inc. "King of Work-Arounds" LDT & CD 2004 C3D 2004 SP1 On HP Pavilion a367c 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM XP PRO - SP2 "Dave D" wrote in message news:4190f7b8$1_3@newsprd01... > Thanks Don. > > Yeah, those "canned" presentations are great, but while in the midst of > actually doing real world design, it takes just a bit longer to work out > the numbers. If it only took 12 minutes to do a real design, a lot of > people would be out of work. > > I understand what you are really saying though, and I agree. The software > is becoming easier to use and more intuitive. It's sometimes tough to > break old ways of doing things. I'll come to terms with it. > > Thanks, > Dave D. > > "Don Reichle" wrote in message > news:4190e46f$1_2@newsprd01... >> Hey Dave; >> >> I'll let the gurus address the "Where is it?" portion of your post. I'm >> sure that they haven't done away with it. It just may take some searching >> to find where it lives now. >> >> As to your cumbersome observation; >> I watched Lori Copeland at the Civil Express Tour in Anaheim last >> Thursday start with a Horizontal Alignment; >> Progress to a Finish Profile; >> Create an Assembly (Template) for her Corridor Design; >> Calculate a FG Surface, complete with contours; >> Calculate a Dirt Quantity; >> all in 12 minutes, which included time for explaining what she was doing, >> and fielding questions from the audience. >> >> Cumbersome, you say? >> >> I, for one, am thinking NOT! >> >> What they did try to get across to the crowd, was that some of us would >> find it necessary to re-think the way we do designs. This kind of >> re-education is a good thing, IMHO. >> >> It's time to take the phrase "But that's the way we've always done it!" >> and bury it deep in an unmarked grave somewhere in the desert where the >> shifting sands will forever hide its resting place. >> >> -- >> Don Reichle >> Hacker Engineering, Inc. >> "King of Work-Arounds" >> LDT & CD 2004 >> C3D 2004 SP1 >> On HP Pavilion a367c >> 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM >> XP PRO - SP2 >> >> >> "Dave D" wrote in message >> news:4190db56$1_3@newsprd01... >>> What happened to the Vertical Alignment Editor in Civil3D? Seems a lot >>> more cumbersome to add information. I especially liked the Calculator >>> option in LDT, so you could figure out K values for vertical curves >>> before it actually gets applied to the design file. >>> >>> Dave D. >>> >> >> > >
*Don Reichle
Message 7 of 18 (90 Views)

Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 09:30 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Typo correction... I see the greatest potential... Yes, I'm Anal Retentive; and your point is? :-) -- Don Reichle Hacker Engineering, Inc. "King of Work-Arounds" LDT & CD 2004 C3D 2004 SP1 On HP Pavilion a367c 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM XP PRO - SP2 "Don Reichle" wrote in message news:4190fc88$1_2@newsprd01... > Hey Dave; > > I greatest potential for C3D IMHO is in the arena of preliminary design. > When the client is playing the What If? game, we will be able to give them > just about real-time answers. That's what is generating most of my > excitement. > > I was able to create the FG profile that would suit the design needs of > the project, and then by grip editing the horizontal alignment find the > best spot for it WRT the existing ground. > > I'm prepared to take the flack I expect re. my view of BTTWWADI (see > below), but I'm convinced that the process will need tweaking to take > advantage of this paradigm shift, as James Wedding was quoted during the > Civil Express Tour. > > -- > Don Reichle > Hacker Engineering, Inc. > "King of Work-Arounds" > LDT & CD 2004 > C3D 2004 SP1 > On HP Pavilion a367c > 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM > XP PRO - SP2 > > > "Dave D" wrote in message > news:4190f7b8$1_3@newsprd01... >> Thanks Don. >> >> Yeah, those "canned" presentations are great, but while in the midst of >> actually doing real world design, it takes just a bit longer to work out >> the numbers. If it only took 12 minutes to do a real design, a lot of >> people would be out of work. >> >> I understand what you are really saying though, and I agree. The >> software is becoming easier to use and more intuitive. It's sometimes >> tough to break old ways of doing things. I'll come to terms with it. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave D. >> >> "Don Reichle" wrote in message >> news:4190e46f$1_2@newsprd01... >>> Hey Dave; >>> >>> I'll let the gurus address the "Where is it?" portion of your post. I'm >>> sure that they haven't done away with it. It just may take some >>> searching to find where it lives now. >>> >>> As to your cumbersome observation; >>> I watched Lori Copeland at the Civil Express Tour in Anaheim last >>> Thursday start with a Horizontal Alignment; >>> Progress to a Finish Profile; >>> Create an Assembly (Template) for her Corridor Design; >>> Calculate a FG Surface, complete with contours; >>> Calculate a Dirt Quantity; >>> all in 12 minutes, which included time for explaining what she was >>> doing, and fielding questions from the audience. >>> >>> Cumbersome, you say? >>> >>> I, for one, am thinking NOT! >>> >>> What they did try to get across to the crowd, was that some of us would >>> find it necessary to re-think the way we do designs. This kind of >>> re-education is a good thing, IMHO. >>> >>> It's time to take the phrase "But that's the way we've always done it!" >>> and bury it deep in an unmarked grave somewhere in the desert where the >>> shifting sands will forever hide its resting place. >>> >>> -- >>> Don Reichle >>> Hacker Engineering, Inc. >>> "King of Work-Arounds" >>> LDT & CD 2004 >>> C3D 2004 SP1 >>> On HP Pavilion a367c >>> 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM >>> XP PRO - SP2 >>> >>> >>> "Dave D" wrote in message >>> news:4190db56$1_3@newsprd01... >>>> What happened to the Vertical Alignment Editor in Civil3D? Seems a lot >>>> more cumbersome to add information. I especially liked the Calculator >>>> option in LDT, so you could figure out K values for vertical curves >>>> before it actually gets applied to the design file. >>>> >>>> Dave D. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
*Dave D
Message 8 of 18 (90 Views)

Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 10:11 AM in reply to: *Dave D
Yes, with Civil3D I see Autodesk is finally leaving behind the DCA methodogy legacy. Thanks for your responses. :-) Dave D. "Don Reichle" wrote in message news:4190fec1$1_3@newsprd01... > Typo correction... > I see the greatest potential... > > Yes, I'm Anal Retentive; and your point is? :-) > > -- > Don Reichle > Hacker Engineering, Inc. > "King of Work-Arounds" > LDT & CD 2004 > C3D 2004 SP1 > On HP Pavilion a367c > 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM > XP PRO - SP2 > > > "Don Reichle" wrote in message > news:4190fc88$1_2@newsprd01... >> Hey Dave; >> >> I greatest potential for C3D IMHO is in the arena of preliminary design. >> When the client is playing the What If? game, we will be able to give >> them just about real-time answers. That's what is generating most of my >> excitement. >> >> I was able to create the FG profile that would suit the design needs of >> the project, and then by grip editing the horizontal alignment find the >> best spot for it WRT the existing ground. >> >> I'm prepared to take the flack I expect re. my view of BTTWWADI (see >> below), but I'm convinced that the process will need tweaking to take >> advantage of this paradigm shift, as James Wedding was quoted during the >> Civil Express Tour. >> >> -- >> Don Reichle >> Hacker Engineering, Inc. >> "King of Work-Arounds" >> LDT & CD 2004 >> C3D 2004 SP1 >> On HP Pavilion a367c >> 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM >> XP PRO - SP2 >> >> >> "Dave D" wrote in message >> news:4190f7b8$1_3@newsprd01... >>> Thanks Don. >>> >>> Yeah, those "canned" presentations are great, but while in the midst of >>> actually doing real world design, it takes just a bit longer to work out >>> the numbers. If it only took 12 minutes to do a real design, a lot of >>> people would be out of work. >>> >>> I understand what you are really saying though, and I agree. The >>> software is becoming easier to use and more intuitive. It's sometimes >>> tough to break old ways of doing things. I'll come to terms with it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave D. >>> >>> "Don Reichle" wrote in message >>> news:4190e46f$1_2@newsprd01... >>>> Hey Dave; >>>> >>>> I'll let the gurus address the "Where is it?" portion of your post. I'm >>>> sure that they haven't done away with it. It just may take some >>>> searching to find where it lives now. >>>> >>>> As to your cumbersome observation; >>>> I watched Lori Copeland at the Civil Express Tour in Anaheim last >>>> Thursday start with a Horizontal Alignment; >>>> Progress to a Finish Profile; >>>> Create an Assembly (Template) for her Corridor Design; >>>> Calculate a FG Surface, complete with contours; >>>> Calculate a Dirt Quantity; >>>> all in 12 minutes, which included time for explaining what she was >>>> doing, and fielding questions from the audience. >>>> >>>> Cumbersome, you say? >>>> >>>> I, for one, am thinking NOT! >>>> >>>> What they did try to get across to the crowd, was that some of us would >>>> find it necessary to re-think the way we do designs. This kind of >>>> re-education is a good thing, IMHO. >>>> >>>> It's time to take the phrase "But that's the way we've always done it!" >>>> and bury it deep in an unmarked grave somewhere in the desert where the >>>> shifting sands will forever hide its resting place. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Don Reichle >>>> Hacker Engineering, Inc. >>>> "King of Work-Arounds" >>>> LDT & CD 2004 >>>> C3D 2004 SP1 >>>> On HP Pavilion a367c >>>> 2.80 Ghz/512MB RAM >>>> XP PRO - SP2 >>>> >>>> >>>> "Dave D" wrote in message >>>> news:4190db56$1_3@newsprd01... >>>>> What happened to the Vertical Alignment Editor in Civil3D? Seems a >>>>> lot more cumbersome to add information. I especially liked the >>>>> Calculator option in LDT, so you could figure out K values for >>>>> vertical curves before it actually gets applied to the design file. >>>>> >>>>> Dave D. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
*Dave D
Message 9 of 18 (90 Views)

Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 01:56 PM in reply to: *Dave D
Oh, I see now. I didn't have my "Panorama" view open. That's what I was missing. Got it now. Thanks, Dave D. "Peter Funk - Autodesk, Inc." wrote in message news:4190ed85$1_3@newsprd01... > Dave, > > If you start the Profile Layout command, and under the left most button on > the toolbar, you'll find "Curve Settings...". With this, you can specifiy > either Curve Length or K value for Parabolic Crest and Sag curves. > > Once the profile is added to the project, if you "edit profile" and choose > the "Profile Grid View" you can modify the K value, curve length or curve > radius, and see the results in the other fields, as well as on the > profile. > > Peter Funk > API Product Manager > Autodesk, Inc. > >
*Peter Funk - Autodesk, Inc.
Message 10 of 18 (90 Views)

Re: Difficult editing profiles

11-09-2004 02:00 PM in reply to: *Dave D
That's a pretty useful window when you edit alignments and profiles! Peter Funk API Product Manager Autodesk, Inc.
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