AutoCAD Civil 3D General Discussion

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*Fred Ernst
Message 1 of 19 (402 Views)

Cross Section Slope Labeling

402 Views, 18 Replies
12-17-2003 07:34 AM
Are there plans for having this capability in the software? I create my section sheets using Sheet Manager. I need to label cross slope for road crown, shoulder, ditch foreslope and catch slope. Labeling all the cross slopes of the Top Surface would do it. Thanks, Fred
*Laurie Comerford
Message 2 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-17-2003 06:18 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Hi Fred, If you have kerb and channel, labelling the Top surface creates a series of unnecessary and over lapping labels. The only practical way I could find to do this was to use the top surface for the catch slope and to list the pavement materials and ask the user to select which of those he wanted labelled. However, I think you will find that the "cross section" object will have display properties which totally supersede the need to use Style Sheets. -- Laurie Comerford CADApps www.cadapps.com.au "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe076b6_2@statler... Are there plans for having this capability in the software? I create my section sheets using Sheet Manager. I need to label cross slope for road crown, shoulder, ditch foreslope and catch slope. Labeling all the cross slopes of the Top Surface would do it. Thanks, Fred
*Fred Ernst
Message 3 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-17-2003 06:18 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
> If you have kerb and channel, labelling the Top surface creates a series of > unnecessary and over lapping labels. Yes that would be the case. A better option is probably to be able to label between Pcodes, and be able to choose the Pcode spans you want labeled. Fred
*Laurie Comerford
Message 4 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-17-2003 06:18 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Hi Fred, You are right about Point Codes and I wish I'd thought of that initially. There are APIs for the point codes and I've thrown out some code to find the data as below. -- Regards Laurie, L E Comerford MIE(Aust); CPEng Application Support Engineer CADApps Australia Suite 102, 3 Chester Street Oakleigh 3166 ph +61 3 9568 0077 ext 205 fax +61 3 9568 0044 mob 0418 532 684 email laurie@cadapps.com.au web www.cadapps.com.au Sub PointCodeTest() Dim ssPtCodes As AeccCrossSectionPointCodes Dim oXSec As AeccCrossSection Dim oProj As AeccProject Set oProj = AeccApplication.ActiveProject Dim dChainage As Double Dim dOffset As Double Dim iCode As Integer Dim oAlign As AeccAlignment Set oAlign = oProj.Alignments("str-a") Set oXSec = oAlign.CrossSections(25) ' Could be any cross-section. I just chose ' cross section number 25 to see the data ' The code also works if you use: ' Set oXSec = oAlign.CrossSections("30") ' where 30 is the chainage of the section. dChainage = oXSec.Station Set ssPtCodes = oXSec.CrossSectionPointCodes For iCode = 0 To ssPtCodes.Count - 1 Debug.Print ssPtCodes.Item(iCode).Code, _ ssPtCodes.Item(iCode).Offset, _ ssPtCodes.Item(iCode).Elevation Next iCode End Sub ' PointCodeTest Output from the above code when using the default rural template supplied with Civil Design: 1 0 126.596115798662 25 -3.75 126.521115798662 25 3.75 126.521115798662 15 -6.37912087912108 126.054742172288 12 0 126.246115798662 15 6.37912087912108 126.054742172288 12 0 126.246115798662 2 -5.25 126.431115798662 16 -21.7226365648749 120.940236943703 2 5.25 126.431115798662 16 19.9750199148377 121.522775827049 "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe0c02f$1_5@statler... > > If you have kerb and channel, labelling the Top surface creates a series > of > > unnecessary and over lapping labels. > > Yes that would be the case. A better option is probably to be able to label > between Pcodes, and be able to choose the Pcode spans you want labeled. > > Fred > >
*Fred Ernst
Message 5 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-18-2003 11:36 AM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*Dave Simeone
Message 6 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-19-2003 01:33 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*John Coon
Message 7 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-20-2003 05:29 AM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*Chakri Gavini
Message 8 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-22-2003 02:31 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Fred, Laurie and John, Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) as composed in "section segment" labels (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified group(s) of point codes. A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this approach address John's concern? John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question how about (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in that range). We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would like to see in the product that improves the process. Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? Thanks Chakri Product Designer Autodesk "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*Fred Ernst
Message 9 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-22-2003 02:45 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Basically we need to label the cardinal cross slopes in a cross section, but everyone probably has their view on what is cardinal. I don't need to label the cross slope of a face of curb, but then somebody may want to. I think the most logical approach is to be able to specify segments between two point codes that the user would like labeled. If you want to add the option of being able to name each of those sections with a surface segment name, that's fine, but not critical for me. I need automated cross slope info in Sheet Manager asap though :smileyembarrassed:) We have offset and elevation capabilities now with Sheet Manager for point codes, and we definitely can't afford to lose that. Fred
*Laurie Comerford
Message 10 of 19 (402 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-22-2003 02:46 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Hi Chakri, A most important aspect of a road is to be able to display different components of the top surface with different colours. Hence the "Carriageway surface, Paved Shoulder etc are essential. There also needs to be a linemarking capability so that when preparing 3D views and drive throughs the road looks meaningfully realistic. It also means that road furniture has to be drawn in proper 3D and be able to automatically insert itself at the road surface. -- Laurie Comerford CADApps www.cadapps.com.au "Chakri Gavini" wrote in message news:3fe77096_4@statler... Fred, Laurie and John, Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) as composed in "section segment" labels (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified group(s) of point codes. A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this approach address John's concern? John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question how about (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in that range). We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would like to see in the product that improves the process. Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? Thanks Chakri Product Designer Autodesk "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
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