Can anybody write an installer?

[Anonymous]

My record of difficulties has been shared before.
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=486846

The workaround was found.

They following is a redacted version of a recent exchange.

>>He can't get to vault from inside CD

Vault explorer worked fine.

uninstalled Vault for Micro$oft and Vault from Add Remove.

Reinstalled Vault from the Vault folder that I copied to the deployment site.

Still can't get to Vault from inside 3D.

Any ideas?

Follow up message:


>>Went up to un-named user's machine to uninstall 3D
Uninstalled Vault.
Uninstalled the Google Earth Plug-in.
Service pack will not uninstall so in Add Remove selected remove Civil3D 2007.
Got almost to the end and got a Fatal error message, and it rolled back the uninstall.
Went into change and selected remove and the same thing.
Removed Civil3D 2006.
Again in Add Remove selected re-install C3D 2007
Ran less than a minute and pronounced itself done.
Ran Nick's msi of the Microsoft product.
Said than a newer version was detected and that stopped.

Launched the product knowing full well that I was now screwed and it seemed to work fine.

Ran to the elevator.<<<

So I discovered that Not only will Civil 3D not install properly, but it won't uninstall properly. A great way to engender confidence in the product.

In the end this may be something that is ignored in favor of setting somebodies cross hairs on a slant, But for crips sake you guys think you can make it install properly and also uninstall properly.

You know the Real Estate saying of "Location, Location, Location?"

How 'bout C3D being "Messy, Messy, Messy."

Or maybe " Pricey, Pricey, Pricey."

And guess what guy's, I may have more Civil 3D users in my building than all of the rest of Kansas City, at least according to my reseller.

Not realy a late night rant.
More of a wake up call.

John Postlewait
IS Department
George Butler Associates, Inc.

[Anonymous]

Hello John,

You are well aware of all of the difficulties I have had setting up C3D &
LDT 07 and I then had even more when I tried to update both programs.

I think your post would have been better as a rant 😉 It would have went
well with all of mine.

Glad to know you finally got everything worked out.

John

wrote in message news:5269603@discussion.autodesk.com...
My record of difficulties has been shared before.
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=486846

The workaround was found.

They following is a redacted version of a recent exchange.

>>He can't get to vault from inside CD

Vault explorer worked fine.

uninstalled Vault for Micro$oft and Vault from Add Remove.

Reinstalled Vault from the Vault folder that I copied to the deployment
site.

Still can't get to Vault from inside 3D.

Any ideas?

Follow up message:


>>Went up to un-named user's machine to uninstall 3D
Uninstalled Vault.
Uninstalled the Google Earth Plug-in.
Service pack will not uninstall so in Add Remove selected remove Civil3D
2007.
Got almost to the end and got a Fatal error message, and it rolled back the
uninstall.
Went into change and selected remove and the same thing.
Removed Civil3D 2006.
Again in Add Remove selected re-install C3D 2007
Ran less than a minute and pronounced itself done.
Ran Nick's msi of the Microsoft product.
Said than a newer version was detected and that stopped.

Launched the product knowing full well that I was now screwed and it seemed
to work fine.

Ran to the elevator.<<<

So I discovered that Not only will Civil 3D not install properly, but it
won't uninstall properly. A great way to engender confidence in the product.

In the end this may be something that is ignored in favor of setting
somebodies cross hairs on a slant, But for crips sake you guys think you can
make it install properly and also uninstall properly.

You know the Real Estate saying of "Location, Location, Location?"

How 'bout C3D being "Messy, Messy, Messy."

Or maybe " Pricey, Pricey, Pricey."

And guess what guy's, I may have more Civil 3D users in my building than all
of the rest of Kansas City, at least according to my reseller.

Not realy a late night rant.
More of a wake up call.

John Postlewait
IS Department
George Butler Associates, Inc.

[Anonymous]

Currently in the middle of the mess I made trying to install Land Comp. 2006 on a computer that had C3D SP1a as the only acad product on it.
That system became so unresponsive that the cursor wouldn't move and I couldn't unlite the Num Loc lite on my keyboard. Got called away and when I returned all that remained was The desktop image. No shortcuts no task bar.
Powered off and then on and started cleaning up.
After uninstalling all of the C3D components and cleaning up the registry, temp folder etc. I'm back at it.
Starting with Land 2006 naturally.

John P.

[Anonymous]

You have my most sincere wish for good luck.

John M.

wrote in message news:5270145@discussion.autodesk.com...
Currently in the middle of the mess I made trying to install Land Comp. 2006
on a computer that had C3D SP1a as the only acad product on it.
That system became so unresponsive that the cursor wouldn't move and I
couldn't unlite the Num Loc lite on my keyboard. Got called away and when I
returned all that remained was The desktop image. No shortcuts no task bar.
Powered off and then on and started cleaning up.
After uninstalling all of the C3D components and cleaning up the registry,
temp folder etc. I'm back at it.
Starting with Land 2006 naturally.

John P.

[Anonymous]

John,

Here is what we have setup, but it isn't completely painless.
We originally created a Civil 3d deployment image that did not include the
project management, ie vault, inside the deployment image. Instead of just
trying to modify the deployment image we recreated the image with the
project management included.
We created a deployment image for Vault Client

Our install process is Civil 3D, SP1a, then Vault Client. During the Vault
Client on some systems, the microsoft WSE install will fail. The install
window for Vault seems to hang. I click Cancel once and when prompted if you
really want to exit the install, I click no. Some portion of the Vault
install then completes. I then run the Microsoft WSE 2.0 SP3 Runtime.msi
located in the AdminImage\support folder under the Vault deployment image
and select repair. This seems to complete the install and we can access
Vault inside of Civil 3D and with Vault Explorer.

I have no idea why some systems fail and others work fine. I thought maybe
only our newer systems were the ones that the first attempt at the install
would work on, but I have had two successful installs on older systems.
Right now I am concentrating on getting the installs completed and since I
am the only one doing the installs, I know what to look for. This will be
changing soon so I will be looking into this problem some more.

I think you maybe doing the same steps, but maybe this might help.

--
Tom Berning
Woolpert, Inc
Dell Latitude D800, 1.6ghz 2gb RAM
Win 2000 SP4
Civil 3D 2007, LDT 2007, LDT 2005
wrote in message news:5269603@discussion.autodesk.com...
My record of difficulties has been shared before.
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=486846

The workaround was found.

They following is a redacted version of a recent exchange.

>>He can't get to vault from inside CD

Vault explorer worked fine.

uninstalled Vault for Micro$oft and Vault from Add Remove.

Reinstalled Vault from the Vault folder that I copied to the deployment
site.

Still can't get to Vault from inside 3D.

Any ideas?

Follow up message:


>>Went up to un-named user's machine to uninstall 3D
Uninstalled Vault.
Uninstalled the Google Earth Plug-in.
Service pack will not uninstall so in Add Remove selected remove Civil3D
2007.
Got almost to the end and got a Fatal error message, and it rolled back the
uninstall.
Went into change and selected remove and the same thing.
Removed Civil3D 2006.
Again in Add Remove selected re-install C3D 2007
Ran less than a minute and pronounced itself done.
Ran Nick's msi of the Microsoft product.
Said than a newer version was detected and that stopped.

Launched the product knowing full well that I was now screwed and it seemed
to work fine.

Ran to the elevator.<<<

So I discovered that Not only will Civil 3D not install properly, but it
won't uninstall properly. A great way to engender confidence in the product.

In the end this may be something that is ignored in favor of setting
somebodies cross hairs on a slant, But for crips sake you guys think you can
make it install properly and also uninstall properly.

You know the Real Estate saying of "Location, Location, Location?"

How 'bout C3D being "Messy, Messy, Messy."

Or maybe " Pricey, Pricey, Pricey."

And guess what guy's, I may have more Civil 3D users in my building than all
of the rest of Kansas City, at least according to my reseller.

Not realy a late night rant.
More of a wake up call.

John Postlewait
IS Department
George Butler Associates, Inc.

[Anonymous]

Lately I have been including the Data Management install with the C3D deployment image and running the service pack and the WSE 2.0 msi in that order and it seems to work that way.

Interesting about the Vault install experience you are having.
I have not seen that particular behavior before.

It's just bizarre how differently certain things are happening doing something that used to be as simple as building deployment sites.

Square peg, round hole, BIG HAMMER.

John Postlewait
IS Department
George Butler Associates, Inc.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info Tom.

I have not seen the issue w/ Vault either. I did like John did. Setup the
admin image w/ data management & ran SP's on all clients.

I ran into big problems when I tried to put the SP's into the admin image.

The one constant is the inconsistancy.

John

wrote in message news:5271360@discussion.autodesk.com...
Lately I have been including the Data Management install with the C3D
deployment image and running the service pack and the WSE 2.0 msi in that
order and it seems to work that way.

Interesting about the Vault install experience you are having.
I have not seen that particular behavior before.

It's just bizarre how differently certain things are happening doing
something that used to be as simple as building deployment sites.

Square peg, round hole, BIG HAMMER.

John Postlewait
IS Department
George Butler Associates, Inc.