Yesterday I accidentally made a discovery
For the past week after working well the Civil 3D software slowed to a crawl for the sampleLine process. The autocad forum had no help for this specific slowdown and an email to a C3D expert found this is a known issue with no real solution other than to split the drawing into several dozen drawings with xref and shortcuts.
So out of frustration I re-tuned the computer (for this machine we paid the extra cost for unlocked hardware and bios after the experience with my locked HP laptop) - it fixed the slowdown. But, now some of the C3D corridor processes are unusably slow; it looks like C3D has a bi-modal optimal hardware configuration.
For a 4x4GB [16GB] dual dual-channel modules the two opposing settings for the memory are:
I am considering purchasing a third memory set for this machine to try and satisfy both a ~1800Mhz memory speed and CAS latency 7 response time:
What do you think?
I think you're chasing the wrong thing. As a single-threaded app that can only utilize one core, RAM speed is not the bottleneck even with 1333 MHz. Instead, it's at the CPU. That's why C3D performs so much better with the new 2nd Gen i3/i5/i7 chips... One of the big improvements in that line of chips was the MMU.
Are you REALLY running C3D on Server2008...? I suspect that might be more the cause of a lot of your problems... Server2008 does not make an ideal OS for a CAD computer.
Some good points:
All that said, in theory you could be correct - but in real world use, I found a very big difference in performance for differing C3D functions with the two memory configurations.
You are getting yourself into trouble, and chasing ghosts...
Yes, "Nehalem" referred to the early i3/i5/i7. But "Sandy Bridge" is "2nd Gen i3/i5/i7". Two very different things. It's also unwise to try direct comparisons between components of Intel and AMD CPUs, since so many things are structured differently.
In any case, you are running into very bizarre problems. They are not typical. And the thing that is weirdest about what you are doing is that you are trying to use Windows Server as an OS for a CAD workstation. I would view that as insane, if for no other reason than it takes Windows Server so much longer to boot up and shut down, let alone all the rest.
If anything, maybe you should concentrate on what Services you have running. You may be able to tune Windows Server to behave much like a CAD Workstation, but it's not intended to be used that way, so I suspect you'll have to do a lot of tweaking. That all seems like wasted time and expense to me.
What do you have that actually is defined in the drawing containing the Sample Lines?
Are you currently using data shortcuts/references to manage the design data?
How large is the alignment that you are sampling?
Are you sampling a corridor also? If so, does it reside in the same drawing?
The sample lines are in the worst case scenario as best I can tell. The criteria you asked for I am guessing are the things that can be done to resolve sample line performance problems; validating that this is a well known problem.
The point is that I accidentally solved the sampleLine performance issue by tuning the memory. And today I am going to test different memory settings to see the behavior on the sampleLine and corridor function. Do you have any suggestions to help ensure the test results are usefull.
Also - what is your opinion for this idea; on the autocad c3d help wiki a performance page that summarizes the topic like this and at the bottom of the page a table where anyone that cares can place hardware and software configurations that work well for them like this table. When I built my computer I researched configurations and found very little except for this website http://www.c3dbenelux.org who made an exception so I could join and review the test results. even now I am still finding major new information like "Sandy Bridge has a exceptionally improved memory unit", nice. But in real world use what does it mean. If we post to the table what we 'feel' works and post some index scores then we can compare, learn, and form a more effective community.
I am not surprised that tweaking the memory would have some impact in performance.
However, in the time, effort, and money spent on adjusting, tweaking, and improving hardware configuration (above what you find in multiple blogs and even posts here from Autodesk employees) versus the performance improvement gained through that process seems minimal and even costly compared to looking at project/data workflow.
What do you mean? In most cases several people are collaborating and their work has a workflow so I see your point - in this specific case I am working by myself so the workflow is nonexistent; unless you mean workflow as in first build the entire model then last build sampleLines and when it locks-up on the last sampleLine hand the C3D model off - it is now complete. I did that but did sampleLines before payItem mapping so maybe I should have done payItem mapping before sampleLines then run QTO reports. But the point is that the model becomes unusable at some point.
For context, this specific case is using a location-based model, there are 450+ surfaces, 77 corridors, 10 alignments, and many sampleLines. The workflow for a location-based C3D model is without doubt complicated and I am not going to test it to show how complicated or if it is even possible. Hardware tests are costly only once - after that it is returned thousands of times. If I find through considerable time, effort, and cost that C3D 'likes' 1800Mhz memory with a CAS 7 and this is replicatable for everyone then there is no cost beyond myself. And, if it mitigates the need to orchestrate workflows more complicated than the flea-flicker play - good.
To keep this subjective and give some real values, attached is a video of the process I will use to test the sampleLine and corridor performance.
These are the steps I propose to use for the 2 opposing memory configurations: documentation is with CamStudio screen capture and 4 measured metrics are save time for sampleLine and corridor, time to map payItem, time to rename surface - measured in seconds from video. The test machine specifications are here.
seem complete, through, degree, documented, and allows a 3rd party to repeat
By accident I noticed the performance in corridor and sample line differed noticeably with different hardware configuration. After testing, a faster processor and memory speed with slower memory response resulted in good corridor processing but slow sampleLine processing - and the opposite - slower processor and memory speed with faster memory response resulted in slow corridor processing and faster sampleLine processing. Above are the results with context using actual values rather than an arbitrary fast and slow.
The final results are not consistent with my initial 'discovery', the sampleLine time was better with a faster processor and slower memory response, but in testing is has the best time with the opposite configuration - I think the difference in 'feel' is in the time to open the alignment sampleLine list rather than the overall sampleLine time. The difference in feel between the settings is noticeable and annoying enough that I took the time to look for a new configuration and then test, document, and post here for comments; essentially each setting results in an opposing function that feels like it 'doesn't work'. The sampleLine is twice as fast, the corridor surface name is five times slower and the corridorSave is twice as fast.
I could test further, in greater detail, and generate better test runs for comparisons with better accuracy in the measurements but what is here is sufficient to validate that there is a significant difference in opposing function performance with different hardware settings. Until there is more discussion and reproduction of these results I am not going to test further.
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