C3D 2011 & XREF'S

[Anonymous]

I have a previous asbuilt/topo, performed by me, before any construction took place and is a XREF for the current drawing I am about to discuss.

I have performed another asbuilt/topo in an area where sidewalks and asphalt drives will be demolished, re-graded and replaced. Some of the existing features from the original asbuilt/topo are valid, mainly utilities but relocated them in case.

I would like to hopefully edit the XREF in place and COPY 0,0 the features I need instead of figuring out what I need, opening the old drawing and performing a copy that way. Is this possible?

I have performed edits in-place on XREF'S and really think that's a cool feature as it saves time but haven't tried what I am asking.

Guess I could try and see but thought it would be nice to ask here.

Thanks,
Mark Driver

[Anonymous]

There are several ways to go about it. You can open the source file or edit
in place. Another option is the Map Query tools which allow you to bring the
desired linework into your current drawing using filtering criteria, edit it
and save it back to the source. Which method you use depends on how much
editing is involved. If you need to do anything more than a few minor
changes, since C3D allows us to work on multiple files, I would prefer to
open the source drawing and edit there. The Map query method really shines
when you need to edit data in mulitple drawings as you can edit them all at
once in your current drawing. However Map query doesn't work on C3D objects
like surfaces so it does have limitations.

[Anonymous]

I really don't need to edit as much as copy and insert linework. It's a busy site so opening and performing a copy/paste would be tedious to say the least.

So can I just edit in-place and copy/paste the information?

I have used the Map Query tools but don't those filters bring in the whole layer, for example?

I just need select items as I pan the drawing while creating the new asbuilt/topo.

Maybe it's just as easy to re-insert the water valve block, for example, as I come across the need.

Follow me?

Thanks,
Mark Driver

[Anonymous]

The simplest method that I do is use the NCOPY command. This brings items
right into the your drawing.

Bill

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I have a previous asbuilt/topo, performed by me, before any construction
took place and is a XREF for the current drawing I am about to discuss.

I have performed another asbuilt/topo in an area where sidewalks and asphalt
drives will be demolished, re-graded and replaced. Some of the existing
features from the original asbuilt/topo are valid, mainly utilities but
relocated them in case.

I would like to hopefully edit the XREF in place and COPY 0,0 the features I
need instead of figuring out what I need, opening the old drawing and
performing a copy that way. Is this possible?

I have performed edits in-place on XREF'S and really think that's a cool
feature as it saves time but haven't tried what I am asking.

Guess I could try and see but thought it would be nice to ask here.

Thanks,
Mark Driver

[Anonymous]

Ahh. NCOPY. I forgot about that command.
Thanks Bill for keeping it simple.

Mark Driver

[Anonymous]

I guess I'm not clear on what you are wanting to do. Are you wanting to
bring the linework into a new drawing or just make copies and move to new
layers or locations the source file?

Map Queries can be very specific. You can specify that all blocks on layer X
that are scale X,Y and within a specific location be included and all blocks
having scale Y,Z be excluded. You can include or exclude specific entities
such as lines, polylines, arcs, text etc. in your filters and much more. You
can also change the properties of the objects as they are brought into your
host drawing such as the layer, color, scale, etc.by using the Alter
Properties option.

NCopy works well but you have to pick every entity one at a time. If you
have lots of entities then a Map query would probably be a better solution.
The queried objects can either stay in your current drawing or you can write
them back to the source drawing.

Another option worth considering is using Quick Select or FILTER in your
source drawing to isolate the objects you want and then copy them into your
host file via the clipboard.

[Anonymous]

Hi Mark,

The Map queries in their simplest form will bring in all objects from
selected layers.

However you can build far more sophisticated queries.

As an example you can easily build a query which brings in:

All Lines on Layer 0 with colour Red contained as non-crossing objects
inside a predrawn polyline and with linetype "Continuous".

In the process of bringing the queried objects in, you can change the
linetype to dotted, the colour to Magenta and the Layer to "DoNotPlot"
and move them all to a different location

i.e. not only do you have a comprehensive collection of filtering tools,
but you also have a comprehensive collection of Object modify tools
which work simultaneously.

You have an ability to save the query as a file and run it again at any
time.

You also have a "Save back" capability.

Regards,

Laurie Comerford


mdriver1 wrote:
> I really don't need to edit as much as copy and insert linework. It's a busy site so opening and performing a copy/paste would be tedious to say the least.
>
> So can I just edit in-place and copy/paste the information?
>
> I have used the Map Query tools but don't those filters bring in the whole layer, for example?
>
> I just need select items as I pan the drawing while creating the new asbuilt/topo.
>
> Maybe it's just as easy to re-insert the water valve block, for example, as I come across the need.
>
> Follow me?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Driver

[Anonymous]

Thanks Laurie as that will certainly come in handy someday.
I ended up using NCOPY as it was pretty covenient as I panned around the dwg.

Mark Driver

[peterfunkautodesk]

Mark,

The commands that let you create from objects have an "xref" option in them. When you type "x" you'll be prompted to select the same type of objects in the Xref. The object(s) will then be copied into your current drawing and used to make the object.

For example:

Command: _AeccCreateFeatureLines
Select lines, arcs, polylines or 3d polylines to convert to feature lines or [Xref]:

Is that what you're looking for?

Peter Funk
Autodesk, Inc.

[Anonymous]

Mark,

I have a Lisp file that we use to Move to Demo parts of our Survey files
so that when I xref the survey into it, I can freeze those items that
will be demo'd.

The other option would be to use a Xref Mask or clip, which if I recall
can be an interior xref mask.

Matthew Anderson, PE


On 5/12/2010 11:29 AM, mdriver1 wrote:
> I have a previous asbuilt/topo, performed by me, before any construction took place and is a XREF for the current drawing I am about to discuss.
>
> I have performed another asbuilt/topo in an area where sidewalks and asphalt drives will be demolished, re-graded and replaced. Some of the existing features from the original asbuilt/topo are valid, mainly utilities but relocated them in case.
>
> I would like to hopefully edit the XREF in place and COPY 0,0 the features I need instead of figuring out what I need, opening the old drawing and performing a copy that way. Is this possible?
>
> I have performed edits in-place on XREF'S and really think that's a cool feature as it saves time but haven't tried what I am asking.
>
> Guess I could try and see but thought it would be nice to ask here.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Driver
>

[Anonymous]

Peter,
That will come in handy later for sure but I only needed to bring a existing water valve, for example, from my XREF as I scanned around the dwg.
I used NCOPY and it worked great for what I needed. I can see it being tedious though if a lot of repetition is necessary.

Matthew,
That LISP routine sounds interesting for sure.

My issue, at hand, was that not all x-water valves, for example, needed to come over. Just a select few that remained from the actual demolition. One thing I like about Leica onboard software is that if I try and shoot something twice in the same location it will beg me to not do it. This could have been used but RTK was my best friend that day 🙂

Thanks for all of the help. Very useful board.

Mark Driver

[gbondoc]

Anyone find a way to NCopy a Parcel object?  It doesn't seem to recognize the C3D parcel objects.  We are trying to create offsets from the parcel lines that were xrefed. 

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