BIM?

[Civil3DReminders_com]

I was reading the article below and I was wondering if you think Civil 3D is a BIM product.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080917/sf33494.html?.v=1

I could see where the material takeoff quantities could be considered part of a BIM, but most of the other items such as pipes, structures, profiles, parcels, etc don't contain BIM information outside of the objects own properties. For the materials you can't really link it to outside information such as a spec section, which is what I'd expect from a BIM product.

Christopher

[Anonymous]

I think it's a boat load of marketing nonsense.

Maybe on the right track, but to call it BIM at this point is silliness.

Just my opinion, of course.

I hope the focus stays on production issues, anyway, not BIM.

wrote in message news:6033612@discussion.autodesk.com...
I was reading the article below and I was wondering if you think Civil 3D is
a BIM product.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080917/sf33494.html?.v=1

I could see where the material takeoff quantities could be considered part
of a BIM, but most of the other items such as pipes, structures, profiles,
parcels, etc don't contain BIM information outside of the objects own
properties. For the materials you can't really link it to outside
information such as a spec section, which is what I'd expect from a BIM
product.

Christopher

[Louisa]

My first point to this is WOOOOOOOO! Go Florida! Go go Florida!

My second point is, I think we need our own buzzword. CIM? Civil information modeling. or SCIM Survey/Civil Infrastructure management. SCAM? Survey Civil Asset Management?

[Anonymous]

As soon as there is a definition of BIM that even remotely makes sense, maybe we can figure out if Civil 3D falls into that category.

[Anonymous]

What's unclear about 4D/5D application centric "modeling" with regards to
design/visualization, construction, timelining, contract management,
sustainability & life cycle management?


wrote in message news:6033685@discussion.autodesk.com...
As soon as there is a definition of BIM that even remotely makes sense,
maybe we can figure out if Civil 3D falls into that category.

[Anonymous]

Exactly.

[jwedding]

Give the man a prize! Free copies of Architectural Studio, PointA, Field
Survey and other software of the future for Mr Drahn!

Oh wait, you weren't calling off your buzzword Bingo?
--
James Wedding, P.E.
Engineered Efficiency, Inc.
The Site: www.eng-eff.com
The Blog: www.civil3d.com
The Book: www.masteringcivil3d.com
C3D 08SP2/09 Mac Book Pro, XP SP2, 4GB

[haroldpei1218]

Okay, I get 4D, but what's 5D?

[Anonymous]

james.wedding wrote:
> Free copies of ... Field Survey ...

HaHa... been a while since I have heard that term...


--
R.K. McSwain
http://rkmcswain.blogspot.com

[Civil3DReminders_com]

Don't worry about BIM, I think they are pouring the resources into the other buzz word of Sustainable Design. Can't wait till all of the houses in the southwest are built from adobe. Trees and Steel aren't exactly plentiful in the southwest.

Christopher
http://blog.civil3dreminders.com/
http://style.civil3dreminders.com/

[Anonymous]

4D is supposedly the data elemnt of the model - access to all parts and
equipment specs and manufacturers, design rates, costs, installation info,
lifespan, MSDS, etc
and 5D is the time element - using the model and applying scheduling info
to it for constrtuction phasing and then, later on, for lifecycle management
(ie, when are the operations guys supposed to change the 48" 40W Sylvania,
SuperGreen bulb that's in room 27A?)

... at least that's the way I understood it several months ago - it may've
changed

wrote in message news:6033798@discussion.autodesk.com...
Okay, I get 4D, but what's 5D?

[Anonymous]

I just want Autodesk WalkThru back. That was cool.



wrote in message news:6033796@discussion.autodesk.com...
Give the man a prize! Free copies of Architectural Studio, PointA, Field
Survey and other software of the future for Mr Drahn!

Oh wait, you weren't calling off your buzzword Bingo?
--
James Wedding, P.E.
Engineered Efficiency, Inc.
The Site: www.eng-eff.com
The Blog: www.civil3d.com
The Book: www.masteringcivil3d.com
C3D 08SP2/09 Mac Book Pro, XP SP2, 4GB

[Anonymous]

from '97

http://aecnews.com/articles/233.aspx

"Dave Drahn" wrote in message
news:6033868@discussion.autodesk.com...
I just want Autodesk WalkThru back. That was cool.



wrote in message news:6033796@discussion.autodesk.com...
Give the man a prize! Free copies of Architectural Studio, PointA, Field
Survey and other software of the future for Mr Drahn!

Oh wait, you weren't calling off your buzzword Bingo?
--
James Wedding, P.E.
Engineered Efficiency, Inc.
The Site: www.eng-eff.com
The Blog: www.civil3d.com
The Book: www.masteringcivil3d.com
C3D 08SP2/09 Mac Book Pro, XP SP2, 4GB

[Civil3DReminders_com]

Did they really make computers with this little specs? How did they manage?

RAM requirements: 16 MB RAM if running Windows 95; 32 MB RAM if running Windows NT. Large models may require more RAM.
Hard-disk requirements: 30 MB free hard-disk space and 32 MB disk-swap space (minimum).
Other requirements: 256-color (8-bit) or 65,536-colors (16-bit) video mode. Autodesk recommends 16-bit video mode, as other video modes will significantly degrade performance.

[GaryElswick5627]

Sounds like I have socks older then you are.

Gary E.

[Anonymous]

eh? Whippersnapper!

wrote in message news:6033882@discussion.autodesk.com...
Did they really make computers with this little specs? How did they manage?

RAM requirements: 16 MB RAM if running Windows 95; 32 MB RAM if running
Windows NT. Large models may require more RAM.
Hard-disk requirements: 30 MB free hard-disk space and 32 MB disk-swap space
(minimum).
Other requirements: 256-color (8-bit) or 65,536-colors (16-bit) video mode.
Autodesk recommends 16-bit video mode, as other video modes will
significantly degrade performance.

[Matt.Anderson]

Chris -

I've watched a few too many marketing webcasts - I too often think of building as a noun or Big B Building information model vs. the way Autodesk continues to discuss Civil 3d as as building [an] information model or BIM as a verb yet too many people continue to claim BIM as a noun.

It gets very confusing.

[dana.probert]

While it may not meet the formal definition from the buzzword dictionary, I think of BIM like this...

If my software/drawing can give me more than just a piece of paper, that's BIM. If there is a datamodel as well as a graphic model, that's BIM. Or at least has the potential to be.

The whole push for BIM Valhalla (like shown here www.Autodesk.com/PowerofBIM) where everything is some kind of magically interconnected parametric universe is certainly a goal, but it doesn't have to be that complicated.

I would consider the following exercises to be BIM activities:

1- Importing a collection of shp files through the FDO and theming/annotating based on the map data

2- Creating a Material Volume table from a Corridor that pulls information from the combined alignment, profile, and assembly to compile road material quantities.

3- running an elevation analysis on a surface, or labeling a surface, than changing the points and watching the effect ripple through

4- much more in Civil 3D and Map


FWIW the US GSA has an article on the subject that might be considered the "definition" of BIM. The reason a lot of it is hard for us to digest is because it all seems to be written in architectural terms with architectural examples (just like every stinkin' intro to AutoCAD text out there, eh?). If you think of the "Building" as construction in generic terms instead of a _building_ structure, it makes more sense.

http://www.gsa.gov/bim
From the site:
"Critical to successful integration of computer models into project coordination, simulation, and optimization is the inclusion of information—the “I” in BIM—to generate feedback. As a shared knowledge resource, BIM can serve as a reliable basis for decision making and reduce the need for re-gathering or re-formatting information."

Dana Probert
Autodesk

[Civil3DReminders_com]

I think most of my skepticism comes from what I've seen in the Architecture and Revit products which appears to be more way more advanced than Civil 3D on the information and modeling. I've seen demos of Success Cost Estimator pull the building model out of Revit and have the quantities done in minutes instead of hours (not counting all of the setup required to get that point). Revit/Success can not only have the quantities, but also a link to the specification section and a manufacturer's webpage. Can't even get the quantities of a pipe network in Civil 3D, not out of the box at least.
http://style.civil3dreminders.com/pipenetworkquantities

Christopher
http://blog.civil3dreminders.com/
http://style.civil3dreminders.com/intermittentblockoftheday

[mscacco]

BIM is NOT a civil engineering term!

We work with civil engineers across the country and _never_ once have I heard a single one of them refer to anything they do as BIM. Even those that are creating full blown 3D models of their projects. Never. Not once.

I agree that a short, easy to say, easy to use word is needed to describe civil engineering 3D model making, but you can't just take a word that already has a definition and force it upon users. _Especially_ a word that comes from our mortal enemies: Architects! 😉

I vote for CIM. It has the added bonus of not only applying to Civil Information Modeling, but also to machine control surfaces, as in Construction Information Modeling.

Next article I write, I'm using CIM! 😄

Mark Scacco, PE