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n2itive
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Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-22-2012 03:16 PM in reply to: bwyarger
Ok, when you put it into those terms I can understand the value in his remarks. I still don't agree with it but I can understand your point of view. I guess I was just trying to say, to me, it seems to have gotten out of hand. Both sides.
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Message 102 of 132 (654 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-25-2012 12:04 AM in reply to: mike.barkasi

Autodesk is still the major impetus in Bentley development.  While Bentley employees troll AutoDesk sites looking for ideas, and AutoDesk coders debug their product, and innovate....

 

Perhaps once Mike figures out "paperspace" in v9 or 10 or K, he can  crow about that too.   My  office switched to v8i, so all the old-time usstation guys hate it - they have 20 years experience, but can't batch plot anymore.  Experienced users of a program can no longer perform as noobs do - btw, they don't use the "new" accusnap featur from the mid-90's either.

 

Bentley has retarded  progress by giving free softwar to DOT's, and done little to support their own product.   

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mike.barkasi
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Message 103 of 132 (640 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-25-2012 09:13 AM in reply to: TentativeClick

In Response to Tenative click

 

Your comment "Autodesk is still the major impetus in Bentley development"

 

Not sure why you believe that, as C3D resembles a combination of GEOPAK and InRoads.. and for innovation..my version of C3D still has a does prompt at the bottom

 

I dont undersatand the comment on Paper space... Microstaion Contains Sheet Models (paper space) and Design Models (Model Space)... only we can have unlimited number of both Sheet and design Models.

 

It is a sad fact that most users (Autodesk or Bentley) know a limited number of functions the software provides.

 

As for plotting... Batch plotting is done in print Organizer in the current releases... You do not want to compare plotting between MicroStation and Autodesk...Anyone who has worked with both will agree MicroStation has a serious edge.

 

Your comment on "Free Software" lacks merrit and is NOT true.

 

And lastly, I do not "troll" I simply am here to rebut misinformation... this type of misinformation concerning autodesk products does not occur in the Bentley user group.

 

Regards

 

Mike

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AllenJessup
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Message 104 of 132 (613 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-26-2012 04:18 AM in reply to: mike.barkasi

mike.barkasi wrote:


 

 and for innovation..my version of C3D still has a does prompt at the bottom

 


 

 Are you talking about the Commnd line?

 


 

mike.barkasi wrote:

 

Your comment on "Free Software" lacks merrit and is NOT true.


While you may not believe it's true. I sit next to an Engineer who worked for the State DOT at the time all the FREE stuff was brought in. Not only software but the high end computers to run it on.  He has no motive in making that up.

 

That doesn't make it a better or worse sotware. But it happened.

 

I personaly have very little experience with MS and the little I had was years ago. I'm sure it's ahead in some aspects and C3D is ahead in others. I'm glad Autodesk has competition. Without it either product might stagnate.

 

Allen

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billneu08
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Message 105 of 132 (558 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-27-2012 11:16 AM in reply to: AllenJessup

Still waiting for the answer to my question Mike? How many days of training in sunny Southern Florida? And how about the cost for onsite next day support of your product?

 

Bill Neuhauser P.E.

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mike.barkasi
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Message 106 of 132 (523 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-27-2012 06:25 PM in reply to: billneu08

Bill

 

I work out of Exton PA, I havnt been to Florida to train except for  FDOT. I do not know the costs for these services. In some cases sonsultants may be able to attend these sessions. I am very good at what I do, so I suspect that might effect the rate my time is billed at.

 

As for Allens post concerning comments from someone he knows regarding free software and free "high end" computers,... Please understand I work for Bentley Systems and am directly involved with the TLI segment. That is simply not true.

 

I have seen however the generosity Of the Bentleys when it comes to personal matters and the treatment of Collegues and there families.

 

Regards

 

Mike Barkasi

Bentley Systems

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Message 107 of 132 (471 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-28-2012 09:07 PM in reply to: mike.barkasi

To the consultants (my peeps!):

 

Yup, Bentley does have a watered-down version of paperspace - sheet models do exist, introduced with v8 in 2004.  And your CAD standards don't acknowledge this, as no one hasd no inkling what they are, or how to use them.  The most senior, productive CAD techs in the company might name their levels, and the more adventurous might know how to pan without their shift and control keys, but most are using the inefficent features that MicroStation has made its foundation for two decades.  So even the most experienced keep scaling the border, and throwing it onto the model, in view 1, the only view that will ever be used.    And every time they "nudge" that border over a few feet, Print Organizer will hiccup, refusing to update, and requiring the file to be removed and reattached.

 

This is all in keeping with the CAD standards set up by the DOT clients you have.  They want to see each dgn file have one view, either a model, or a sheet that calls in models, nothing else.  They are too busy having maintenance truck and snowplow operators sit through Bentley training classes in the winter to consider how painstakingly inefficient the software package they have thrust upon you really is.

 

And before Mike points out my obvious disdain for his product - I think Bentley was very wise to adopt DirectX with their XM release.  Having a $250 mainstream gamers card outperform a $1000 OpenGL model is very attractive, and perhaps with the next version, your marketing department will highlight this point.

 

I'm still rooting for Wisconsin (and more states) to open things up to competition.  

 

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ballen
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Message 108 of 132 (468 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-28-2012 09:54 PM in reply to: n2itive

TentativeClick:

 

Wisconsin allows design to be completed in Civil 3D.

See:

 

 

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mike.barkasi
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Message 109 of 132 (454 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-29-2012 03:11 AM in reply to: TentativeClick

Ballen

 

Please get your facts correct. V8 w/ Sheet models (paper space) was released in 2000.

A user can choose to scale the sheet model up (allowing the sheet model to be geocoordinated) or scale the model down keeping the true paper size.

 

Print organizer if set up correctly will reconize the print boundary or sheet models. If you are having trouble contact me or support and we can walk you through the correct set up.

 

You mention "innefficient features" Im sure to someone using them they are efficient (IE: command line) (BTW 8 views have been in MicroStation for 25 years references or x refs over 10 years prior to DwG)

 

Organization wide standards are critical on large projects that may span over a decade, A product that is stable and highly customizable (IE MicroStation) Supports many workflows, one where the file format is constantly changing, forcing upgrades and requireing audits and purging to avoid corrupting etc does not.

 

In all the Training I have done for both DOTs and private engineering companies, I have not been aware of any Snow plow operators taking the class.

 

Not sure what to say about the video thing.. does it matter?

 

Mike Barkasi

Bentley Systems

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neilyj
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Message 110 of 132 (452 Views)

Re: AutoCAD usage by DOTs

03-29-2012 03:42 AM in reply to: mike.barkasi

Organization wide standards are critical on large projects that may span over a decade, A product that is stable and highly customizable (IE MicroStation) Supports many workflows, one where the file format is constantly changing, forcing upgrades and requireing audits and purging to avoid corrupting etc does not.



These are certainly valid points and a source of great annoyance to me using Civil 3D.....

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