Audit & Named Plot Styles

[Cliff Patterson]

In May I posted a problem regarding the use of Named Plot Styles with Civil 3d styles. When I specify a named plot style to use for any component of any Style everything seems fine on the surface (all the Named Plot Styles are plotted correctly) but the Audit command will return errors - 'eWrongObjectType' for each style having the Named plot style set.

In May, Himanshu Gohel of Autodesk was able the reproduce the problem and stated that he would respond back in another thread. I never saw another post regarding this issue. I have not installed 2007 (yet). I was hoping this issue would be addressed in one of the Service packs. But reading the Readme file for SP2 or SP1a, I see no mention of this being addressed.

I am surprised I have not heard more about this issue considering I'm not the only person using Named Plot Styles. Is Autodesk phasing out Named Plot Style? They have provided nice Color-dependant templates with styles, but NO named plot style templates.

It concerns me that my drawing files are full of these so-called errors of 'eWrongObjectType'.

Any insight on the issue will be appreciated.



Cliff Patterson
Rocke & Associates
Civil 3d 2006
HF2
Dell 2.8 Ghz, 1.0 GB

[Anonymous]

Cliff,
If I audit our template file I get that same error and have not been able to
get rid of it and we are using Named Plot Styles as well. I didn't know
what the problem was but now you can count me in to wanting a fix for it.
I've tried dragging my styles into one of Autodesk's templates but the
problem just goes with it.

--
Jason Stevens
RGS Associates
Civil 3D 2007, SP2

wrote in message news:5317961@discussion.autodesk.com...
In May I posted a problem regarding the use of Named Plot Styles with Civil
3d styles. When I specify a named plot style to use for any component of any
Style everything seems fine on the surface (all the Named Plot Styles are
plotted correctly) but the Audit command will return errors -
'eWrongObjectType' for each style having the Named plot style set.

In May, Himanshu Gohel of Autodesk was able the reproduce the problem and
stated that he would respond back in another thread. I never saw another
post regarding this issue. I have not installed 2007 (yet). I was hoping
this issue would be addressed in one of the Service packs. But reading the
Readme file for SP2 or SP1a, I see no mention of this being addressed.

I am surprised I have not heard more about this issue considering I'm not
the only person using Named Plot Styles. Is Autodesk phasing out Named Plot
Style? They have provided nice Color-dependant templates with styles, but NO
named plot style templates.

It concerns me that my drawing files are full of these so-called errors of
'eWrongObjectType'.

Any insight on the issue will be appreciated.



Cliff Patterson
Rocke & Associates
Civil 3d 2006
HF2
Dell 2.8 Ghz, 1.0 GB

[Anonymous]

Cliff Patterson wrote:
> In May I posted a problem regarding the use of Named Plot Styles with
> Civil 3d styles. When I specify a named plot style to use for any
> component of any Style everything seems fine on the surface (all the
> Named Plot Styles are plotted correctly) but the Audit command will
> return errors - 'eWrongObjectType' for each style having the Named
> plot style set.
>
> In May, Himanshu Gohel of Autodesk was able the reproduce the problem
> and stated that he would respond back in another thread. I never saw
> another post regarding this issue.

Cliff

There were several threads on this topic and I responded to this one
just recently:

http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5222227

--
Himanshu Gohel. Civil 3D Team, Autodesk, Inc.
Autodesk Civil 3D Product Information: http://www.autodesk.com/civil3d
Civil Engineering Community Portal: http://civilcommunity.autodesk.com

[Sinc]

Did you also fix the other issues with named plot styles, such as the problems with ByBlock for plot style not working, and the problem where inserting blocks into a drawing sets the plot style to "Normal" instead of "ByLayer", etc.?

[Anonymous]

sinc wrote:
> Did you also fix the other issues with named plot styles, such as the
> problems with ByBlock for plot style not working, and the problem
> where inserting blocks into a drawing sets the plot style to "Normal"
> instead of "ByLayer", etc.?

sinc,

My response was for the specific issue that was reported by Cliff. If
you have other issues to report, please open a support case. Thank you.

--
Himanshu Gohel. Civil 3D Team, Autodesk, Inc.
Autodesk Civil 3D Product Information: http://www.autodesk.com/civil3d
Civil Engineering Community Portal: http://civilcommunity.autodesk.com

[Sinc]

Ah, you only fix bugs that have support cases?

I've reported the bug through feedback. That doesn't cut it?

[Anonymous]

sinc wrote:
> Ah, you only fix bugs that have support cases?
>
> I've reported the bug through feedback. That doesn't cut it?

Not sure which feedback you speak of. This newsgroup/web forum is a
peer-to-peer support group.

Opening a support case is the official way to make sure your particular
defect is logged, evaluated by Product Support, and converted to a
defect that we can fix.

--
Himanshu Gohel. Civil 3D Team, Autodesk, Inc.
Autodesk Civil 3D Product Information: http://www.autodesk.com/civil3d
Civil Engineering Community Portal: http://civilcommunity.autodesk.com

[ACADuser]

I have also submitted bug reports via feedback forms (http://tinyurl.com/yrsquo). If this does not cut it, how can I go about opening a support case ?

[petrocat]

I cant help you, but you're not the only one using Named Plot Styles. I hope they're not phasing them out. It is our companies preferred method. It is much easier for me to ask a cad tech, "make this style 1" or 2 or 3 or 4, than worry about color schemes. We use colors when we're drafting for CAD sake only. 90% of our prints are black and shades of gray, so we set 4 styles with 4 shades of gray (hardly using two of them). We've got a good system, I hope AutoCAD doesn't pull the rug out from under our feet.
As for the style in the design object, I set them all to bylayer or byobject and control it with layer manager, because again, if the old school worked great, and the new school doesn't necessarily mean more efficient...

[Sinc]

I was talking about this Feedback page:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

I've sent quite a few reports via this page. I can also open full-fledged support tickets for all the bugs I find, if that's better. Of course, that means I have about 200+ support tickets to open.... I think maybe I should wait and see how many of them were taken care of in the 2008 release before I start opening tons of new tickets...

I definitely understand why the OP was wondering if Named Plot Styles are being phased out. They worked fine in 2004 when we started using them, but the 2007 line of products in particular have an awful lot of problems with them.

Here's one that drove us crazy until we figured it out:

To manifest this bug, create a Point Style with the following properties:
1) use an Autocad Custom Marker (not a block) as the Point symbol
2) on the Point Style Display tab, put the Point and Point Label on layers (not layer 0), and set other properties to "ByLayer"

Now create a Point, and assign the Point Style directly to the Point. Put the Point in a Point Group that has the Point Group set to Layer 0.

Putting the Point Group on Layer 0 is *supposed* to mean that the Point and Point Label will get their properties from the Point Style. And for the most part, they do. But not completely.

Instead, the Point (the Autocad Custom Marker) gets its color, linetype, and lineweight from the layer specified in the Point Style, but it gets its Plot Style and Plot/NoPlot settings from Layer 0. This only affects the Point itself, not the Point Label. The Point Label gets ALL of its settings from the layer specified in the Point Style.

This business of the Point symbol getting some settings from the Point layer, and some settings from Layer 0, drove us absolutely batty until we figured it out. Now that we know about it, we can typically work around it, but it still crops up to annoy us from time to time.

[Sinc]

I got my answer finally.

To our great disappointment, this issue has not been fixed in the 2008 release. We reported it last year to the Civil-3D team, the Land Desktop team, and the Vanilla Autocad team, hoping at least one of them would make sure it got fixed, but nope.

And now the problem is even worse in 2008. Thanks to the way that parcel labels get defined, all our parcel labels grab the Lineweight and Plot Style for leaders (in the dragged state) from Layer 0 instead of the correct layer. We can override this by manually selecting Parcel Labels and manually moving them to the layer we want, but the Parcel Styles can't do it.

It all goes back to the fact that ByBlock does not work correctly in Named Plot Styles. People using CTBs do not notice this issue, because lineweight is typically controlled by color, and plot style is always set to "ByColor" when using CTBs. But it is a horrendous problem with Named Plot Styles.

Oh joy of joys. Looks like at least another year of this headache.

[Anonymous]

I'll second this as an issue...........a relatively important one, at that.

I was wondering if the leaders (and some other objects) are taking on
"Normal", instead of ByBlock. Hopefully one of the CAD-illiterate
programmers just didn't realize the significance, and it's an easy
fix...........then again, if so, why not done, yet.

wrote in message news:5586920@discussion.autodesk.com...
I got my answer finally.

To our great disappointment, this issue has not been fixed in the 2008
release. We reported it last year to the Civil-3D team, the Land Desktop
team, and the Vanilla Autocad team, hoping at least one of them would make
sure it got fixed, but nope.

And now the problem is even worse in 2008. Thanks to the way that parcel
labels get defined, all our parcel labels grab the Lineweight and Plot Style
for leaders (in the dragged state) from Layer 0 instead of the correct
layer. We can override this by manually selecting Parcel Labels and
manually moving them to the layer we want, but the Parcel Styles can't do
it.

It all goes back to the fact that ByBlock does not work correctly in Named
Plot Styles. People using CTBs do not notice this issue, because lineweight
is typically controlled by color, and plot style is always set to "ByColor"
when using CTBs. But it is a horrendous problem with Named Plot Styles.